Phoenix VS Raven (Marvel VS DC) | DEATH BATTLE! Predictions
(Raven art by sparks220stars)
The Phoenix, Marvel’s fiery avatar of cosmic destruction.
Raven, DC’s demi-demonic daughter of darkness.
They say that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and few people understand that better than these two kind souls, who have spent their lives struggling against the darkness within. But when given the chance to truly spread their wings (both literally and figuratively), they’ve proven themselves to be two of the most powerful super-heroines in comic history. It’s X-Man VS Teen Titan, and only one can survive a DEATH BATTLE!
Phoenix
In case you were wondering…
Obviously, the Phoenix Force has had a variety of hosts. Feats and abilities shown by all of them (with the obvious exception of host-specific abilities, such as Emma’s diamond form or Illyana’s sorcery) will be taken into account for this blog, as it will be focusing on 616 Jean Grey, who is the “perfect” host for the Phoenix and thus the most powerful, as well as the one with the broadest control over the Phoenix’s powers.
The Dark Phoenix that appeared in the original Dark Phoenix Saga was technically not Jean nor any other Phoenix host, but rather the Phoenix Force itself mimicking Jean’s appearance and personality. The Phoenix manifesting on its own is typically referred to in the comics as “the Phoenix Entity”. Since the Phoenix is explicitly weaker without a host than with one, feats and abilities from the Phoenix Entity can be applied to Jean.
In New X-Men (2001) Issues 151 - 154, an alternate future timeline was depicted in which Jean becomes White Phoenix of the Crown, and demonstrates several new feats and abilities. Though this technically isn’t the main timeline, the only difference is the events that occur, and as such feats and abilities from this timeline can be applied to Jean’s own version of the White Phoenix (which appears briefly in Phoenix Endsong Issue 5).
In the mid to late 2010s, a version of Jean from the X-Men’s early days was displaced from her time period and spent an extended period operating in the modern day. When relevant, this version will be referred to in this blog as “Teen Jean”. While she did develop applications for her powers that original Jean never had, and received unique training, Teen Jean’s memories were transferred to regular Jean when she was sent back to the past. As such, any feats, abilities, and knowledge that Teen Jean possessed should be available to regular Jean.
As the Phoenix, Jean’s psionic powers are greater than or equal to every other telepath and telekinetic on Earth, and as such, telepathy and telekinesis feats from other characters (including but not limited to Professor X, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, Cable, X-Man, Quentin Quire, and the Stepford Cuckoos) can be scaled to her. Showings taken from other characters will be denoted under “Scaling” in their corresponding abilities section.
Background
Full Name: Jean Elaine Grey-Summers
AKA: Phoenix, Marvel Girl, Jeannie
Height: 5’6” | 1.68 m
Weight: 130 lbs | 59 kg
Groups: X-Men, X-Factor, Hellfire Club
Married to Scott Summers
Has been killed and resurrected 15 times
Number of Love Interests: Yes
Born and raised in Annandale-on-Hudson, New York, young Jean Grey’s life would be changed forever on one fateful day, when her friend Annie strayed into the path of oncoming traffic. While her friend lay dying in her arms, Jean’s mutant powers manifested, and she telepathically linked her own mind with Annie’s. Seconds later, Jean experienced the death of her friend as though it was happening in her own mind. Naturally quite a bit traumatized by this, Jean became reclusive and nearly catatonic, so much so that her parents sought help from the world’s top expert on matters of the mind: Charles Xavier.
Professor X began to counsel Jean, helping her to overcome her trauma and repressing her telepathic abilities, until a time when she was better suited to handle them - leaving only her less-remarkable telekinetic abilities. Over time, Jean improved and eventually became a functioning member of society once again, at which point Xavier made her an offer: to enroll in his School for Gifted Youngsters, and learn to control her mutant powers among peers. Jean accepted, and soon enough became a founding member of the X-Men alongside fellow mutants Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, and Angel.
As one of Marvel’s premier crime-fighting teams, the X-Men soon became great heroes who fought on behalf of mutants everywhere. Coming into conflict with villains like Magneto, the Juggernaut, and many more, Jean did her part as one of the team’s core members, her telekinesis - and eventually telepathy - developing greatly all the while. She even fell in love with her teammate Scott Summers, AKA Cyclops, though their relationship over the years has been… tumultuous.
However, as is the case with everyone in Marvel’s revolving door of tragedy and status quo, Jean’s happiness would not last forever. On one mission, she and the X-Men found themselves trapped piloting a ship through a solar storm. Caused by a group called the Knights of Hykon, this storm would change Jean’s life forever, as she found herself face to face with a cosmic being of infinite energy. She made a deal with the creature, and her friends were saved; in return, Jean was placed in a healing capsule at the bottom of a river, and the Phoenix emerged to take her place - appearance, personality, and all.
Though the Phoenix was an invaluable asset to the X-Men’s cause, absolute power by nature corrupts absolutely. Even programmed with Jean’s kind heart and outstanding morals, the Phoenix Entity was eventually corrupted by its own power, mutating into Dark Phoenix and becoming one of the greatest threats the world had ever known. It tore through the X-Men with ease, and even annihilated a faraway solar system, killing billions in its quest for sustenance. Over time, however, even the Dark Phoenix began to change. It truly believed that it was Jean Grey, and after some telepathic pacification from Xavier, ultimately gave its own life in order to end its rampage.
Years later, Jean was found in her capsule, and returned to the X-Men, having gained the Phoenix’s memories of its time in her place. With her desire to do good reinvigorated, Jean became a founding member of X-Factor, married Scott, had some children (sort of, it’s complicated, do not ask, I won’t explain), and began to walk the path of a hero once again.
Buuuuuuut, you know how it goes. Eventually, she started to hear a voice in her head, and the psychic constructs she created began to take a familiar, avian shape. The Phoenix was back with a vengeance, and this time would operate from within Jean for real, having manifested as an alternate personality. Then she died. Then she came back. And then she accepted the Phoenix and turned white. And then she left for a decade (she went to the White Hot Room, I’ll explain what that is later). And then she came back again. And then she convinced the Phoenix to leave her, determined to live her life healthily, away from the fiery space parasite.
Around this time, a version of her from the past (Teen Jean) was displaced to the present. She was involved in a variety of incidents, and even had her own encounters with the Phoenix, though luckily never became its host the way Jean did. Eventually, Teen Jean and the other time-displaced X-Men returned to the past, and their memories were merged with their present-day selves, including Jean.
From this point onward, Jean would once again rejoin the X-Men and dedicate her life to protecting the world, currently as a member of the nation of Krakoa. She may have enough relationship drama and a complicated enough family tree to fill a series of novels, and she may have been killed about as much as Optimus Prime, but through it all, Jean has become a symbol throughout the Marvel universe of kindness and perseverance. She stands firmly as the heart and soul of the X-Men, and will continue to pursue a peaceful future for mutants and humankind alike, alongside her surrogate family. Even when the Phoenix inevitably returns one day, or when she inevitably perishes yet again (it is literally a plot point that she is always destined to die), Jean Grey will always have the strength and the will to get up and keep fighting.
Experience
Jean has spent decades as both a member and leader of the X-Men, though she was dead for large portions of her history, and Marvel’s sliding time-scale makes things a bit wonky. At the very least, she has years of experience fighting against basically anybody you can think of, and was trained in the use of her powers by Charles Xavier. She is established to be one of (if not THE) most skilled telepaths on the planet, beyond characters like Emma Frost and rivaling Professor X. She also gained all of Teen Jean’s memories, which includes some minor formal training from Emma and Psylocke. At one point, she also spent 12 years mentally transferred into a future body, in order to raise and train her “son”, Cable.
Though she typically relies more on her psionic abilities than hand-to-hand, one of her notable skills is that she can essentially telepathically “download” anything she wants to know from experts across the planet. She has used this to instantly acquire the skills of Misty Knight and Colleen Wing, two expert martial artists, so she is no slouch in hand-to-hand when the situation calls for it. She is also a fairly good tactician, having spent years fighting, leading, and teaching.
Phoenix Force
Overview
AKA Void Falcon, Phal’kon, World Destroyer
Other Notable Hosts:
Rachel Summers, Scott Summers, Hope Summers, Emma Frost, Quentin Quire, Stepford Cuckoos, Piotr Rasputin, Illyana Rasputin, Namor McKenzie, Firehair, Cosmic Ghost Rider, Thane, Marc Spector, Maya Lopez, technically most of the Avengers
Born from the Big Bang
Possibly Thor’s mother
Definitely did the naughty with Odin
Once empowered Howard the Duck
Born at the dawn of creation from the fires of the Big Bang itself, the Phoenix Force is a godlike entity of cosmic proportions, typically taking the form of either a human, or a giant falcon made out of fire. It is life itself, and its singular purpose is to destroy, burning down planets and civilizations to make way for new things. The Phoenix is parasitic, however, and so to do this, it seeks out a host through whom it can act, corrupting them to its whims. Though it has taken many hosts over the years, it always seems to eventually return to Jean Grey, whom it believes to be the perfect host. Together with Jean, the Phoenix is an unstoppable force, consuming entire solar systems and more in its quest for sustenance. Over time, however, Jean was able to convince the Phoenix that their… er, relationship was unhealthy, and that they needed to part ways. Now on the search for a new host to facilitate its cosmic destruction, it is believed that the Phoenix’s fire will one day consume the last remnants of the cosmos, bringing an end to all that is.
Higher Forms
Dark Phoenix
The Dark Phoenix is a form assumed when the mind of a host gives way to the Phoenix’s corruption, going insane and becoming obsessed with destruction and consumption. As the Dark Phoenix, Jean’s powers are tempered by neither joy nor love, and as such they are much more powerful than her normal Phoenix state.
White Phoenix of the Crown
Though it has few appearances in the comics, the White Phoenix of the Crown is the Phoenix’s ultimate state of being. Jean originally achieved it by connecting with the minds of all her loved ones, allowing her to receive their emotions and use them to stabilize herself. In this state, she regains her sanity and becomes much more powerful, to the point of holding entire universes in her hands, and being able to make minor alterations to the past to change the course of reality.
An alt timeline version of White Phoenix holding a universe in her hands and rewriting reality
White Hot Room
The White Hot Room is a plane of existence that the Phoenix has access to and control over. This plane of reality is “dimensionally transcendental”, and simultaneously exists within the Phoenix, within the M’kraan Crystal, and beyond the Far Shore (one of the furthest edges of Marvel’s creation). The Room has been described as the Phoenix’s heart and mindscape, and whilst in the Room, the Phoenix has extensive control, able to manipulate its surroundings as it pleases. This control can be disrupted, as has been done by Teen Jean and the Adversary, but it has always returned to the Phoenix eventually. In the event that the Phoenix dies, the White Hot Room will be unaffected, and eventually the Phoenix will be reborn from the Room.
Statement that the White Hot Room is dimensionally transcendental
Quentin describing the White Hot Room as the heart of the Phoenix Force
Statement that the White Hot Room is contained within the M’kraan Crystal
The Phoenix stating that the White Hot Room is a nexus for all Phoenix hosts
Statement that the White Hot Room is another name for the Mystery and the Above-Place
Teen Jean overpowering the Phoenix’s control over the White Hot Room
The Adversary takes control over the White Hot Room from the Phoenix
Arsenal
Uniform
Standard X-Men costumes are made of unstable molecules, allowing them to withstand extreme temperatures and serve as an insulator. Jean’s costumes are unique to her, but they should at least have all the features of a standard one.
Image Inducer
Has an image inducer with which she can alter her physical appearance.
Magneto Helmet
Has a Magneto-esque helmet which can be used to block out mental attacks.
Powers
Phoenix Avatar
The Phoenix possesses the ability to manifest a bird-shaped avatar out of fire, and use it to fight. This avatar can grow to inconceivable sizes, and attacks via fire and physical strikes. Jean can also produce limbs of the Phoenix Avatar to attack with just those.
Pyrokinesis
Naturally, the Phoenix also possesses immensely powerful fire manipulation, attacking with flames hotter than a supernova and as radiant as a neutron star. She can also make constructs out of fire, and incinerate people from the inside out.
Producing an aura of fire and blasts of flame “backed by the power of the sun itself”
Jane Foster Thor feeling the Phoenix’s heat from galaxies away
Prehistoric Phoenix making fire chains to restrain young Thanos
Phoenix Maya trapping some Eternals in a “hollow sphere of atomic heat”
Statement that the Phoenix’s radiation is equal to a neutron star
Telepathy
Though Jean possesses telepathy as one of her standard mutant abilities, it becomes massively enhanced with the Phoenix inside of her. Her mental abilities at their peak are considered to be nearly without limit, and grants her a broad variety of applications in combat, which will be listed below. Compared to other characters in Marvel, base Jean is typically considered to be the second best telepath after Professor X, while Phoenix Jean surpasses him and as such is the strongest. In any case, she far surpasses other telepaths like Emma, Psylocke, etc.
Saying that she’s the second best telepath in the world after Professor X
Statement that she is just as powerful a telepath as Cassandra Nova
Xavier stating that his telepathy is nothing compared to what Jean has the potential to become
Magneto stating that the Phoenix’s psychic power rivals Xavier
Having a mental battle with Professor X across infinite planes of existence. Dark Phoenix would have won, but Jean’s emotions held it back, allowing Charles to win.
Extending her telepathy to many minds at once will make her ability to see them less clear
The Phoenix grants the user telepathy regardless of whether they already have it
Scaling
Professor X blocking a psychic scan from Moondragon when she is amped by the Mind Gem
Moondragon has mentally matched Doctor Strange, who is capable of overcoming Umar. Umar’s telepathy is capable of reaching across countless dimensions.
Emma shielding from an illusion which covers all of San Francisco; later breaks through the mental defenses of the person who created it
Telepathic Communication
Jean can communicate telepathically with others, which she most commonly uses to maintain a mental rapport between all the X-Men in combat. As the Phoenix, her range is at minimum great enough to encompass the entire planet’s population, scaling off of other Phoenix hosts.
Phoenix Emma telepathically connecting with every mind on Earth
Phoenix Emma offering to telepathically give X-23 years of therapy instantly
Scaling
Professor X gathers positive emotions from every mind on Earth
Emma and the Stepford Cuckoos together projecting a message/illusion to everyone on the planet
Mind Reading
Reading minds and memories is also an ability that Jean possesses, allowing her to gain insight into an opponent’s tactics and abilities. It is worth noting, though, that she consistently tends to have difficulty handling “larger” or “eviler” minds, and her mind reading can be ineffective on certain types of opponents.
Anticipating Scott’s shots before he takes them by reading his thoughts
Reading Beast’s mind in order to get an info dump on the history of the X-Men
Reading Knull’s mind, though she is somewhat overwhelmed and ends up collapsing from it
Reading the World-Eater’s “massive” mind seemingly caused her brain to start hemorrhaging
Gambit’s biostatic energy manipulation is able to disrupt her telepathy
Scaling
Professor X accesses the thoughts and emotions of every mind on the planet
Professor X scanning the Green Scar’s mind, though it causes him pain
Savior Cable telepathically ionizing the atmosphere to probe and communicate with every mind on Earth
Mental Manipulation
Jean can also use her telepathy in a more offensive manner, outright affecting, dominating, and even shutting down an opponent’s mind. She has various methods of doing so, some of which are fairly brutal and difficult to defend against.
Preventing Wolverine’s mind from registering that Magneto had ripped out his Adamantium
Shutting down Bruce Banner’s consciousness within the Hulk’s mind
Suggesting that she is capable of telepathically frying a person’s synapses
Mentally overwhelming Xavier and turning him into a vegetable
Overpowering Emma’s telepathy and smashing through her psychic defenses
Phoenix Emma giving someone what appears to be a psychic lobotomy
Mind controlling someone requires Jean to overcome their will
Scaling
Professor X affects a weakened Juggernaut through his helmet
Professor X can shut down Wolverine's motor functions with a psi-blast
Psylocke breaks through Death Seed Archangel’s psychic defenses
Memory Manipulation
Jean can manipulate and erase memories. She can do this to both short-term and long-term memory, and to either an individual or to large crowds. The Phoenix is also noted to be able to give people new memories.
Wiping the memories of herself and the other time-displaced X-Men, causing the memories to return to their future versions
Scaling
Illusions
She can create illusions, fooling people’s senses and making them believe that they see or hear something that they do not.
Giving people “psychic blind spots” to prevent them from seeing or hearing the X-Men
Tricking Symbiote minds into believing that they are hearing an agonizingly loud sound
Astral Projection
Jean has occasionally shown the ability to project a mental construct of herself out of her body, allowing her to transfer her mind to different places or enter the astral plane. She can also forcibly do this to others, though any injuries inflicted upon an astral projection are reflected onto the body, so it’s important that she chooses her battles wisely.
Capable of transferring her mind to a different body in order to survive
Any injuries inflicted on Jean’s psychic mental projection are reflected onto her physical body
Extrasensory Perception
Jean possesses sensory abilities which allow her to detect things that cannot be seen. This is fairly useful in combat, when avoiding things that would otherwise surprise her.
Sleep Manipulation
Jean can telepathically force people to sleep or wake them up. This has even worked on the Incredible Hulk and Legion, both of whom possess mental defenses.
Pain Manipulation
Jean is capable of telepathically inducing or negating a person’s pain, typically via messing with their nerve endings or pain receptors. She rarely uses this ability offensively, likely because it is fairly cruel, but she can do so.
Sensory Manipulation
Jean has the ability to alter the senses of herself and others, on the occasion where it is tactically useful. She can also tap into the senses of other people and use those in place of her own.
Telepathic Amps
Jean is capable of using her telepathy to greatly amp the powers of other people, and even herself on rare occasions.
Amping her physical strength to the point of matching the Thing
Can “super-charge” others, allowing them to fight at maximum effort almost indefinitely
Amplifying Scott’s Optic Blast to the point of blowing off a Celestial’s hand
Telepathically amping Scott’s Optic Blast and Angel’s fire attacks
Miscellaneous
Jean has shown several other miscellaneous applications of telepathy.
Capable of absorbing knowledge from others in order to gain their skills
Learns how to pilot a plane from a random test pilot staying at a nearby hotel
Learns martial arts by absorbing the skills of Misty Knight and Colleen Wing
Telekinesis
The second primary ability that Jean possesses naturally without the Phoenix, she can mentally manipulate objects and people around her with telekinesis. Normally, she is only an Alpha-level telekinetic, meaning that while she is powerful, her abilities can be surpassed in some measurable fashion, unlike her Omega-level telepathy, which cannot. However, as the Phoenix her telekinesis becomes much more powerful and versatile, to the point where she likely can be considered an Omega-level telekinetic.
Probably Omega-level as the Phoenix
Telekinetically ripping nanotechnology out of a Sentinel’s body
Telekinetically pulling a nanite safely out of Storm’s brain
Pulling a meteor from a thousand kilometers away in 1-2 seconds
Creating a telekinetic funnel to direct the power of Black Bolt’s voice
Scaling
Barriers
Jean can use her telekinesis to create energy barriers, protecting herself and those around her from oncoming attacks. These can be small or omnidirectional, and Jean can create them both around herself and from a distance. They are not passively maintained, however, so she must always dedicate some degree of concentration toward keeping them in place.
Matter Manipulation
As the Phoenix, Jean’s telepathy becomes enhanced to the point of manipulating matter on an atomic level. This can be used offensively to affect her opponents, or for more mundane tasks such as changing outfits.
Changing outfits by rearranging the molecules in her clothes
Attempting to slow down air molecules in order to reduce temperature
Repairing Emma’s shattered body by fusing her diamond molecules together telekinetically
Altering matter at an atomic level to create a transport ship
Transmutation
Likely an extension of her matter manipulation, Jean can turn solid mass into something completely different. This has shown to affect living beings as well, so she can use it offensively in combat.
Scaling
Energy Constructs / Weapons
From Psylocke, Teen Jean learned how to create weapons out of psychic energy for use in combat. The extent of what she can create is likely limited only by her imagination.
Can use psychic energy to create:
Biological Manipulation
Jean can use her telekinesis in order to alter not only her own body, but the bodies of others as well, disrupting their cell structures or altering their biological functions in a variety of helpful or harmful ways, depending on what the situation calls for.
As just a mass of mental energy, regenerated her body by telekinetically stitching together its destroyed remains
Controlling her own metabolic processes, counteracting the effects of cold weather
Telekinetically forcing people to vomit up their food, and then forcing it back down their throats (ew)
Scaling
Cable threatens to telekinetically close Wildside’s windpipe
Savior Cable telekinetically heals a hundred bullet wounds to his own body all at once
Savior Cable telekinetically rewrites a man’s DNA, causing him to grow wings
Savior Cable telekinetically pulls a virus out of a woman’s body through her pores
Immortality
As the Phoenix, Jean becomes much harder to kill, to the point where she could be considered immortal. The Phoenix itself is impossible to permanently destroy, and so long as it is not incapacitated, it can use its powers to keep Jean alive.
Regeneration
The primary means by which the Phoenix can protect the survival of its host; it grants Jean powerful regenerative abilities, and can mostly let her come back from nearly any level of physical destruction so long as the Phoenix itself is not compromised.
Jean repeatedly regenerating from impalement by Wolverine’s claws
One of the Stepford Cuckoos regenerating from her head getting split into four
Healing Hope after she is impaled, even when it is far away from her
Namor getting his arms ripped off, but still being able to control them and reattach them
Reconstituting Teen Jean’s body after it had been completely incinerated
Resurrection
Though it typically takes a relatively long time, if the Phoenix is destroyed beyond its ability to regenerate, it will eventually be reborn from the White Hot Room in the form of an egg.
Flight
Jean possesses high-speed flight. Originally, she needed to use telekinesis in order to levitate herself, but as the Phoenix, she can fly unaided.
Energy Manipulation & Absorption
As the Phoenix, Jean possesses nearly limitless energy manipulation and absorption capabilities. This can be used for energy attacks, or to siphon power from other sources. Notably, the Phoenix is made of nearly-infinite energy, and requires energy to survive (hence its constant quest to consume things like stars, in order to replenish itself).
Possession
As evidenced by its need for a host, the Phoenix is capable of possessing and empowering just about anybody that it wants to. While it prefers Jean and as such will not leave her for anyone else, it has shown to be capable of using its possession offensively, leaping into a new host and attempting to burn them from the inside out.
Phoenix is capable of leaving its host to possess new ones at will, and if it so chooses, can burn up its host from the inside out
Life Manipulation
Though the Phoenix is an entity of destruction, it is also one of creation and life, and as such has control over the life force of living things. It can drain the life force of others and even bring back the dead.
Stated to absorb life energy from the stars that she consumes as the Phoenix
Statement that the Phoenix can absorb the life force of the living and resurrect the dead
Cosmic Awareness / Senses
Though this is only occasionally mentioned and never elaborated on entirely, it is indicated that the Phoenix possesses an extensive (possibly total) awareness of the cosmos
The Phoenix amps Hyperion’s senses to the point of allowing him to perceive the entire universe, overwhelming him
Portal Creation / BFR
The Phoenix is capable of creating holes through space-time, allowing it to traverse large distances instantly, and escape from spatial imprisonment. It also has a form of BFR in which it can transfer people to the White Hot Room, though this is difficult to do with a living target.
Creating a Stargate to take her to a different point in space
Phoenix Rachel creating a Stargate to a long-dead area of the universe
Time Stop
The Phoenix Force has demonstrated the ability to stop time, though has never done so in combat.
Soul Manipulation (Maybe)
Just about every mention of this is fairly vague or minimal, but for the sake of argument and completeness it’s best to acknowledge everything. There are a few statements throughout the Phoenix’s history suggesting that it may have the ability to affect souls. That said, most of them are worded in a way that could very easily be interpreted as figurative or metaphorical, and it has never shown any particularly extensive control over souls outside of these statements. Take these instances however you will.
Jean says that the Phoenix was able to “steal a part of her soul”
The Phoenix’s fire is able to force back Old Jean’s spirit, preventing her from possessing Teen Jean
Capable of persisting as a spirit after death and possessing people, though seems to largely lack the capability to use her standard abilities
Scaling
Psylocke using her telepathy to imprison the Shadow King’s soul
Note: While Jean is established to be a more skilled telepath than Psylocke, she does not necessarily know all of the same applications of her powers that she does. For instance, creating psionic weapons is something that Psylocke taught her how to do. As such, it is debatable whether Jean would be able to replicate this ability.
Miscellaneous
Random miscellaneous abilities that Jean has shown.
A version of the Phoenix from a bad future was capable of pulling the powers out of people, though she does note that she was more powerful than any previous rebirths
Hax Resistances & Vulnerabilities
NOTE: If a hax ability is not listed here, that simply means that neither Jean nor the Phoenix has ever encountered it.
Mind Manipulation
Positive Showings:
Blocks Azazel’s alpha waves, which were strong enough to scramble a normal person’s thought patterns
Telepathically restraining the Phoenix Force burns Emma’s mind
By mimicking Jean’s powers, Hope is able to shield her thoughts from her
Teen Jean withstanding a mental battle with her future self, Xorn, though Xorn was holding back at the time
[Phoenix] Shielding some of her thoughts to prevent people from reading them
Negative Showings:
Severely debilitated by the strain of reading World-Eater’s mind
[Phoenix] The Phoenix’s mind was altered throughout the entire Dark Phoenix Saga
[Phoenix] Is affected by a mental attack
[Phoenix] Gets hypnotized by Mesmero
[Phoenix] Repeatedly affected by Mastermind’s illusions
[Phoenix] Affected by Psylocke’s psionic daggers piercing her head
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
Hosting the Phoenix always corrodes Jean’s mind eventually, though she is usually able to hold out for a while. Notably, the Phoenix is unable to fully suppress Jean’s personality, even as Dark Phoenix.
Affected by Typhoid Mary’s mind hax, though is able to eventually dispel the illusion she was placed in
Affected by a “psi-shark” which entered her mind and destroyed a number of memories, but was able to fight it off after a brief struggle
Is able to resist the corruption of the Death Seed for a while, largely remaining unaffected, though she was slowly affected more and more over time
[Phoenix] Affected by a mind scrambler device which limited her powers, though eventually managed to overload it
Soul Manipulation / Possession
Positive Showings:
[Phoenix] The Phoenix’s fire is able to force back Old Jean’s spirit, preventing her from possessing Teen Jean
Negative Showings:
Transmutation
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
Power Nullification / Removal
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
Telepathy is rendered useless by psi-blocks within a building
Has her powers suppressed by Charles throughout part of her childhood
[Phoenix] Necrom was able to tear the Phoenix Force out of Feron
[Phoenix] Jean tearing the Phoenix out of Emma
[Phoenix] The Phoenix is expelled from each of the Phoenix Five when they are defeated
[Phoenix] Three witches are able to force the Phoenix out of Thane
[Phoenix] Thor hits Moon Knight so hard that the Phoenix is knocked out of him
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
[Phoenix] It is possible for the White Hot Room to be removed from the Phoenix’s control (has happened on two separate occasions), though Maya was able to ultimately regain control when the Adversary did so.
Energy Absorption
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
[Phoenix] The Phoenix’s energy is able to be absorbed by the Adversary
[Phoenix] Binary Captain Marvel is able to absorb the Phoenix’s energy and then discharge it through a portal
[Phoenix] A portion of the Phoenix is absorbed by Quentin Quire
[Phoenix] Affected and nearly killed by Galactus’ energy absorption
Existence Erasure
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
[Phoenix] Wanda and Hope together are able to successfully erase the Phoenix Force entirely
BFR
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
[Phoenix] Namor is affected by Scarlet Witch’s BFR
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
[Phoenix] Maya is affected by a “dimensional trap” which sends her to a small void outside time and space, but is able to eventually break out and find her way back
Life Force Draining
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
Sealing
Positive Showings:
[Phoenix] Maya was able to break free from Forge’s psionic restraints
Negative Showings:
Phasing
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
Feats
Overall
Omega-level mutant
Founding member of the X-Men and X-Factor
The world’s most powerful telepath at her peak
Saved the universe from the M’kraan Crystal
The Phoenix is considered to be a counterpart and equal to Scarlet Witch’s Chaos Magic
Jean has defeated Professor X, Emma Frost, Justice, Galactus, Terrax, Firelord
In an alternate timeline, defeated Sublime as White Phoenix of the Crown and subsequently fixed reality
Teen Jean defeated Xorn, The Blob, Ronan the Accuser
Rachel with the Phoenix defeated Necrom
Maya with the Phoenix defeated the Adversary
Strength
Base
Briefly lifted thousands of tons telekinetically, though says she doesn’t know if she can hold it
Capable of telekinetically restraining the Juggernaut (he isn’t fighting back here, but he agrees she might be able to)
Said to be capable of telekinetically moving mountains with ease
Telekinetically supported the weight of a huge underwater building
[With Energy Absorption] Blasted a confident Gladiator back and made him bleed
[With Energy Absorption] Clashes with Gladiator, both are K.O.’d
[With Energy Absorption] Oneshot a small army, including Ronan the Accuser
[With Energy Absorption] Staggered and impressed Galactus
The Phoenix
Blasted Firelord out of a building with a strike that he compared to Thor in power
While weakened, pulled a meteor from a thousand kilometers away in 1-2 seconds
Phoenix form grew large enough to dwarf an entire solar system
Contained the power of the M’kraan Crystal, which was going to destroy the universe
Channeled a fraction of the Phoenix to amplify Scott’s Optic Blast, allowing him to blow off a Celestial’s hand
Galactus says that he reveres the power of the Phoenix. She proceeds to burn him.
Rachel as the Phoenix was stated to be able to destroy a galaxy within a minute
In Rachel’s fight with Necrom, the latter threw moons at her, turned a planet into a star, and then devastated a solar system
Rachel says that she and Necrom could have destroyed the universe
Rachel as the Phoenix overpowers and subdues a hungry Galactus
Scott says that the Phoenix Five as a collective have infinite power
Thane as the Phoenix is able to fight evenly with Thanos, and is stated to be his equal in strength
Namor believes that with the Phoenix Force, he could set galaxies ablaze
The amp from the Phoenix Force is stated by Doctor Doom to be equal to the one provided by the Death Seed. Jean (sans Phoenix Force) with the Death Seed was able to match the Exterminators, a race of beings whom the Celestials could not destroy.
Dark Phoenix
Statement that the threat of Galactus is insignificant compared to Dark Phoenix
Several statements reiterate that she is a threat to the universe as a whole
The Phoenix avatar grew larger than the Earth, and then continued to expand “across the universe”
An alternate version of Phoenix Jean blocks Storm’s lightning and then oneshots her
White Phoenix of the Crown
Strongest form of the Phoenix
Phoenix Force
Destroyed a planet (it does this a lot)
Overpowered Thor and Captain Britain
Statement that it could easily destroy a star system, and even the entire universe
Statement that it is capable of pushing the Earth into the Sun
Statement that its radiation level is equal to that of a neutron star
Statement that the Phoenix Force is powerful enough to kill Thanos
Described as the most destructive cosmic force in the universe
So hot that Jane Foster Thor can feel its heat from galaxies away
The Watcher describes the Phoenix as “a primal force second only to that of the creator”
Possesses some degree of control over the White Hot Room. The White Hot Room is a dimensionally transcendental plane of existence which is (according to some statements) beyond the Far Shore, suggesting that it may transcend the Marvel omniverse as a whole.
Speed
Base
The Phoenix
Sent Mastermind’s consciousness across infinity in an instant
While weakened, pulled a meteor from a thousand kilometers away in 1-2 seconds
Emma says Phoenix would “atomize [her] within nanoseconds” if they were to fight
Scott as the Phoenix casually reacted to and blocked Mjolnir
Scott as the Phoenix flew from the Earth to the Moon quickly
Dark Phoenix
White Phoenix of the Crown
None notable
Phoenix Force
Flew from outside the galaxy to Earth
Durability
Base
The Phoenix
Rachel as the Phoenix withstood a massive blast that ruptured the surface of a planet
Thane as the Phoenix survives getting smashed through a planet by Thanos, and subsequently flying through a black hole
Dark Phoenix
White Phoenix of the Crown
None notable
Phoenix Force
Scaling
Galactus: Jean with the Phoenix Force has been stated and shown to be comparable to Galactus on various occasions.
His battle with the Other and the Scrier threatened to destroy the entire infinite multiverse.
In particular, note the comparison that Oblivion makes between their battle and the Chaos War, an event in which the Chaos King annihilated nearly the entirety of Marvel’s creation.
Scarlet Witch: The Phoenix is said to be counterpart to Wanda’s Chaos Magic, forming a yin-yang relationship. The two are shown to be more-or-less evenly matched in Avengers VS X-Men, corroborating this (note that Wanda was not tapping into the Life Force at the time).
Her powers interacting with a Celestial drone could have destroyed the universe.
Hurt Nyx, who was strong enough to snap Zeus’ neck. Later amped Spectrum and Vision to the point of striking a blow worthy of Zeus against Nyx, drawing blood from her.
Stated in the Marvel Encyclopedia to be powerful enough to defeat Dormammu.
Odin: Phoenix ~ Base Wanda ~ Weakened Nyx ~ Zeus ~ Odin.
Sent shockwaves across every plane of reality in his battle with Seth.
Fought Surtur and Seth, who can both destroy Yggdrasil, which exists in all planes of reality, of which there are infinite.
Sent Thor from Asgard to Earth in a fraction of a microsecond.
Reacts to Mjolnir immediately after it travels across an immeasurable distance.
Miscellaneous
Hyperion withstands the collision of two universes unscathed.
Rick Jones’ energy travels across the universe in a heartbeat.
Loki retreats from Earth to Asgard with only microseconds to spare.
Valkyrie scours every corner of all the nine realms in the blink of an eye.
Charles Xavier astral projects at speeds too fast to quantify.
Weaknesses
The Phoenix Force is reliant on energy to live, and will die if it runs out without being able to consume more (though at full power its energy is nearly infinite)
Sufficient damage to the Phoenix host has a tendency to expel the Phoenix Force from their body
Sufficient damage to the Phoenix Force itself will require it to resurrect via the White Hot Room, which takes time
Though the White Phoenix largely mitigates this, the Phoenix is largely difficult to control and will affect Jean’s mind to varying extents in her different forms
Control over the White Hot Room can be taken from the Phoenix, though only temporarily and always somewhat circumstantially
Complete annihilation of the host’s mind and soul is something that the Phoenix has never shown to be capable of repairing
Raven
In case you were wondering…
As a DC character, Raven has of course been subjected to multiple Crisis events and reboots. Raven’s history, and the New Teen Titans as a whole, continued basically uninterrupted from pre-Crisis to post-Crisis, and there have been numerous references to the pre-Crisis events of the run since, solidifying that era as canon. Likewise, while Raven was rebooted in the Flashpoint event for the New 52, the Rebirth event has since largely merged pre-Flashpoint and post-Flashpoint histories. Multiple storylines since Rebirth have acknowledged multiple eras of the Teen Titans as having happened, from pre-Crisis to post-Crisis to post-Flashpoint. While there’s obviously some contradictions in the timeline, the idea seems to be that, for someone like Raven, her entire mainline comic history is canon. I’ll also be including feats from some dubiously canon/out-of-continuity stories, such as Titans: Burning Rage, as Raven is basically the exact same character as her main self in them. The comic Titans United specifically is described as “canon adjacent”, taking place in its own sort of reality close to the comics, and is not designed to break anything from the main canon
Raven’s parents, Arella and Trigon, have some notable feats and abilities of their own. As Arella’s powers are derived from most of the same training as Raven, and she has admitted her powers have never been as strong as her daughter’s, feats from her can be included as something Raven could at least hypothetically perform. Something similar applies for Phantasm, a being composed of the souls of Azarath’s denizens, Danny Chase, and Arella merged together, who seems to have the knowledge of its component parts and whose powers have been directly compared to Raven’s in function. Likewise, Raven seems to gain many of Trigon’s abilities as she embraces her darker self, and she’s defeated her father multiple times at the peaks of her power. While it’s admittedly less clear, I’ll therefore include some of Trigon’s feats as stuff Raven could arguably replicate. The same goes for Raven’s many brothers and sisters, such as Belial and the 7 Deadly Sins, who I’ll also be mentioning feats from for the sake of comprehensiveness
Background
Real Name: Raven
AKA: Rachel Roth, Pride, Rae
Height: 5’11’’ | 1.80 m
Weight: 139 lbs | 63 kg
Groups: Teen Titans, Titans, Seven Deadly Sins, Justice League (kinda)
Has an on-and-off relationship with Beast Boy
Technically the aunt of Etrigan and Merlin
Regularly watches Gossip Girl, Conan, and depressing foreign films
Born in the corrupt streets of Gotham City, Angela Roth had a troubled home life to say the least. Her father hated her rebellious lifestyle, physically abusing her for supposedly making a mockery of their family’s religion. Feeling utterly backed into a corner, Angela ran away from her home when she was 17, with nothing but rags to her name. Desperate and thirsty, she stumbled into a church for shelter, quickly discovering that it was no ordinary house of prayer. In reality, the church followed Satanism, attempting to summon the devil itself to the world.
The devil’s followers exploited Angela’s vulnerability and desire for belonging, and soon indoctrinated her into their cult, eventually choosing her as the summoner for the devil. Laying on a ritualistic circle, the skies went dark above her, and before her was the image of an impossibly beautiful man, enthralling her. It was only after they made love that the man revealed his true form - that of a hideous, savage demon, like pure evil manifested. This was the demon lord Trigon, and Angela was now bearing his child.
Betrayed by the experience, Angela fell into the pits of despair, stumbling through the streets with no hope in life. That was until, at her lowest point, a mystic portal opened up in front of her, with a hand beckoning her through. This was the alternate dimension of Azarath, and its denizens would give Angela a new lease on life. Taking the name Arella, she trained in their magical ways, eventually bearing her demonic child in the realm. This daughter, who she named Raven, was feared by the people of Azarath, serving as a direct gateway for Trigon to enter their realm and destroy all. As a result, Raven was trained in their empathic ways, taught to restrain any emotions, any feelings of love or hate, to prevent any risk of succumbing to her demonic self.
Raven spent her life secluded in Azarath, in a constant mental struggle against her father’s influence. As an adult, Raven sensed Trigon’s influence increasing, and realized that her father would imminently launch an attack on Earth. With no other options and the pacifistic people of Azarath refusing to take action, Raven traveled to Earth and went about assembling a team of heroes to stop the upcoming demonic invasion. These heroes would come together to form the new Teen Titans, and successfully helped to seal away Trigon in the nether-verse before he could destroy the planet.
Even still, Raven was tormented by the influence of her father, at war with her own emotions and her inability to express them without risk, and only intensified by her growing relationships with the Titans, who acted a sort-of family for her. It was only inevitable, then, that Trigon would eventually return, and take over his daughter completely. Trigon decimated both Azarath and Earth, imprisoning and torturing every hero present. The corrupted Raven was made to attack her own friends, forcing them to kill her. All hope seemed to be lost, until Raven’s body was used to channel the souls of Azarath, and the power of their goddess Azar herself. The glowing, radiant Raven obliterated the demon lord in a flash of light, before simply disappearing, her own team unaware of her fate.
Nearly a year passed before the Titans discovered that Raven was still alive, now brainwashed and empowered by the Church of Blood. Her surrogate family managed to free her, and she soon rejoined the team, free of the influence of Trigon and finally being able to express all the emotions she long-held dormant. At least, at first. Turns out the souls of Azarath still existed, and had been corrupted by the lingering soul of Trigon. Taking refuge in fellow Titan Jericho, they soon wormed their way into Raven’s soul and yet again corrupted her completely. Now a full-fledged supervillainess, this Dark Raven aimed to resurrect her many fallen demonic brothers and sisters into new bodys, which, unbeknownst to her, would resurrect Trigon himself. It was only after her friends completely obliterated the evil from her soul, and the spirit of Trigon within her, that she was finally purified. Now appearing as a golden soul, without a body, she could truly start anew.
Much time would pass, and the lingering soul of Raven was ultimately resurrected in a new, younger body by the Church of Blood, who actually worshiped Trigon. She was rescued by the newly formed next generation of Teen Titans, and joined the team yet again. Now in a 15-year old body, she ended up attending high school, taking the name Rachel Roth, and began a (very drama-heavy) romance with her teammate Beast Boy. She seeked to live a simple, normal experience with simple, normal people. Even with some interruptions from her brothers, the literal Seven Deadly Sins trying to corrupt her yet again, she always managed to prevail with the help of her friends, and could live a life that was truly her own.
But this is DC, so come the New 52 and that was all thrown out the window! Still, the new, rebooted Raven followed a similar background to her original self. Kidnapped by Trigon, she was forced to serve as a general in his demonic army, conquering worlds in his steed. That path took her to Earth, where she joined the Teen Titans, a group of heroic teenagers fighting back against Trigon’s invasion. While initially conflicted over her loyalties and true intentions, Raven would find herself accepted by the Titans as an equal, and a friend. With the influence of Trigon no longer puppeteering her, she moved in with the family of her mother’s sister, Alice, and once more attended high school in the pursuit of normality.
Now with her own friend-circle at school, a new relationship with Beast Boy, and a family that accepts her for who she is (alongside the merging of her old and new selves), Raven’s lot in life is looking up. Having banished Trigon yet again, she currently works as a teacher in the newly formed Titans Academy, guiding students who suffer from as much conflict in life as she did. She may struggle with her emotions, and she may come from pure darkness, but with the help of her friends and family, Raven will always end up fighting for what’s right.
Experience
While DC’s timeline is all sorts of messed up, Raven has been a member of the Teen Titans for at least over three years total, and nearly 40 years in terms of real-life chronology. Raven spent the first 18 years of her life training her empathic powers under the priests of Azarath and the goddess Azar herself, specifically being noted as a ravenous student who desired to learn everything she could. She has experience fighting against a wide variety of power-sets, on top of the regular training sessions the Titans undergo. What’s more, in the New 52, Raven spent “an eternity” conquering worlds for Trigon and training under him (even as she was only gone for years on Earth, time passes differently in Trigon’s realm). In recent comics, she has led the Titans alongside Nightwing, and she’s even served as a teacher for others with similar powers to her.
She may not have any explicit formal hand-to-hand training, but she clearly isn’t unfamiliar with such scenarios, having defeated multiple cultists and even her demonic brother Envy in physical confrontations, likely due to the Titans’ training sessions. She also regularly works out, and has some experience in manipulating and tricking others for her own ends.
Arsenal
Uniform
Raven has worn several uniforms over her history. Her original cloak is a standard robe worn by the denizens of Azarath, vulnerable to being set on fire. After being brainwashed by Brother Blood, she took on a white version of her robes, which became her standard outfit for the rest of the run. Her New 52 outfit notably has a retractable mask and a feathered cloak, which Raven can shift at her will into various shapes in order to restrain or attack her opponents. She can consistently shift into her various uniforms with her powers at will.
Shifts from her white robes to her black robes in an instant
Her uniform seems to morph around her as she summons it, shown again here
Shapes her cloak into a pair of restraints around some monsters
Communicator
A communicator for the Titans, that allows for quick long-distance calls between members. The out-of-continuity story New Teen Titans: Games depicts the communicator as residing in the Raven emblem on her cloak, while the dubiously canon Titans: Titans Together portrays it as an earbud.
Chakra
Best recognised as the red jewel located on Raven’s forehead. Pre-Flashpoint, it serves to help control her powers and strengthen them, such as allowing her to break free from mind control. Without it, her powers are notably diminished. Post-Flashpoint, when given a big enough power surge, it’s used as a sort of portal to bring Trigon to Earth.
Used to create a portal to bring Trigon to Earth after receiving a power surge. It’s said that Raven’s “Soul-Jewel” is dying with her as she’s attacked, suggesting the portal is tied to her life-force
Legion Flight Ring
Pretty much everyone in DC has had one of these at some point. Allows Raven to fly through the vacuum of space.
Lenses
A tacky pair of lenses Raven wore to block Jericho’s possession, which is based on eye-contact.
Ramat Stone
A mystical gem which allows the user to find beings imbued with sorcery, with Raven’s being tied to herself. She gave one to Donna Troy as a contingency for if she ever became corrupted. Perhaps more notably though, Raven can place a sliver of her own “pure essence” into the stone, which can become sentient if she ever turns evil, and can then emerge from the stone and fight back. She used this ability to defeat her dark self.
A sliver of Raven’s pure essence emerges from the stone and defeats her dark self, explained here. It’s stated that the stone won’t work twice
Magical Items
A set of various magical implants and talismans owned by Raven, which act as surefire ways to kill her. She gave them to her friends as a contingency for if she ever became evil again.
Ebon-Sword
A sword used by Raven as she served under Trigon. She doesn’t do much with it on-screen.
Rings of Azar
A pair of mystical rings given to Raven by the goddess Azar before she died. They act as a “nexus” to Raven’s soul, and through them Raven can feel Azar herself guiding her. Their true purpose, however, is to destroy Trigon himself. Upon death, Azar placed her own soul into the rings, waiting for the day Trigon would return. When he corrupted Raven, he emptied her body of its soul, which proceeded to flow into the rings alongside the souls of all of Azarath’s people, who Trigon seemingly killed. When placed upon Raven’s physically deceased body, the rings make Raven a conduit for all the souls stored inside, massively empowering her, and allowing her to obliterate Trigon, body and soul. After this, Raven disappeared in a flash of light, and the rings dropped to the ground.
Raven feels Azar guiding her through the rings, stated again here
The rings act as a nexus to her soul, a link that can be used
The rings are placed upon Raven’s dead, soulless body, with it stated that no soul-filled life could survive the process. They proceed to channel the stored spirits of Raven, Azarath, and Azar through her body and obliterate Trigon as “mental energy”, body and soul, before dropping to the ground
Powers
Key
[Dark Raven] - Feats performed by Raven while she’s corrupted by Trigon’s power or something similar. During the 90s, after Raven's body was destroyed, her Soul-Self was corrupted by Trigon directly and began acting on its own. During this period, she took on Dark Raven as her supervillain moniker.
[Golden Raven] - Feats performed by Raven’s purified soul after Dark Raven was destroyed, acting on its own. It’s unclear if she’s any stronger in this state, but I’m marking the distinction to be sure
[Trigon] - Feats performed by Raven’s father
[Trigon + Souls of Azarath] - Feats performed during the period in the 80s where Trigon’s essence merged with the souls of Azarath’s denizens
[Arella] - Feats performed by Raven’s mother
[Phantasm] - Feats performed by the second Phantasm, comprising the souls of 1000 of Azarath’s citizens, Arella, and Danny Chase
[Siblings] - Feats performed by one of Raven’s many, many siblings, that can reasonably be applied to her
If you’re wondering about ‘White Raven’ and why it’s not mentioned, that ‘form’ is sort of a misconception stemming from the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon and word of mouth. In reality, Raven’s white robes are purely ceremonial, and don’t indicate any shift in power. She first donned them after being brainwashed by Brother Blood during New Teen Titans Volume 2, and kept wearing them for the rest of the run until her apparent death in issue 84. While her wearing them did coincide with an amp from Brother Blood, this amp was unrelated, and just enhanced her physicality and empathic powers. It wasn’t some cataclysmic shift in strength, and it’s entirely unrelated to Trigon. Later on, Raven wears the white robes after again being brainwashed by Brother Blood, but she immediately switches back to her normal robes after being freed from his control. In either case, the white robes don’t represent any actual power boost for Raven, are tied to Brother Blood and not Trigon, and aren’t an actual form she can access. Raven does appear white and glowing upon absorbing the souls of Azarath, but this is completely unrelated to the white robes mentioned above, and isn’t a ‘form’ in the traditional sense.
Trigon Heritage
As the daughter of the demon lord Trigon, Raven is constantly fighting an internal battle against the corruption of her father, to the point where at first she couldn’t express any form of emotion without risk of Trigon overtaking her. When she succumbs to it, she becomes much more violent and aggressive, and gains new powers. The following is a sort of timeline of her instances of falling to corruption and her encounters with Trigon.
In their first encounter, Trigon corrupts Raven with a beam, instilling her with “all [his] essence”. It’s implied this gives her new power
If she fails to reign in her emotions, Trigon may break free
Is afraid to use her powers like teleporting, as she feels Trigon’s power growing within her
Raven’s empathic powers do not function correctly as Trigon’s influence takes hold. It’s stated in a later comic that at times Trigon’s evil overwhelms her, and her empathic powers become useless
While light-years from Earth, Trigon mentally attacks Raven and possesses her
Becomes overtaken by Trigon and starts killing soldiers before regaining control, with Trigon’s influence later passing
Trigon influences her to make her begin torturing some soldiers with her powers, which she mentions are enhanced by his energy
As Trigon’s influence takes hold, the shape of Raven’s face changes over time
After all that, Raven ends up fully succumbing to Trigon, empowering her and giving her a new demonic look, with Trigon himself being more powerful now due to absorbing the power of over 100 billion souls. It’s stated Trigon has “rent” her soul from her body, turning her into a soulless shell, and that in actuality her soul was placed inside the rings of Azar while Trigon’s evil filled her body.
After being purified and destroying Trigon, she disappeared, and was dropped from 100 feet in the air above Alabama without her memories. Not even the Monitor could find Raven at this time, and when she shows up again, she’s been cleansed of Trigon’s evil. She can express actual emotions now without risk, though she still worries
Upon leaving Jericho’s body, the souls drain him of his strength, disintegrating him and possessing the Titans. Raven is full on Trigon mode due to the possession, and the corrupted spirits say that Raven’s physical form is too weak and will die from the power. Turns out Azar knew that Trigon’s blood could possess Raven/the souls of Azarath. Arella says that when Azar died, she passed on her soul to Arella in case she ever needed to save the world, and Azar fights the possessed Raven
Danny Chase uses his powers to focus Arella’’s energies back to a transference machine, in order to cleanse the Azarathean souls of Trigon’s evil and destroy him forever. The souls of Azarath and Raven are cleansed, and Azar guides them beyond existence on a new journey as the area collapses. A specific group of 1000 souls have merged together as one, and cannot follow or join the rest, instead possessing the Phantasm’s cloak (note that two profiles say Raven herself aided in the destruction of the spirits of Azarath, which doesn’t really make sense)
Raven later returns, growing in “power and madness”. Turns out while her body died, her soul still lived, without her body to control the evil within her soul. Her Soul-Self now acts on its own, harboring the souls of 100 of Trigon’s dead children. She even returns to Azarath, now lifeless and destroys the remains of Phantasm and Raven, whose flesh was destroyed in the fall of Azarath (though Phantasm somehow survives the attack). The part of Raven’s evil soul that lived is now what acts
Even as Trigon’s 100 children’s bodies were slain by their mothers and enemies, their souls lived
Phantasm frees the souls of Azarath, which envelop Raven and “tear her apart”. Arella’s soul offers Raven salvation, but she refuses, and so the souls cause a massive explosion which destroys the entire building, killing Phantasm and all its souls for good. Raven is revealed to be alive and still evil later
It’s explained later that when Raven was destroyed by Arella and Danny Chase, her Soul-Self lived, and a Trigon seed somehow found and entered her at that moment, giving her “life anew”. Without a physical mind and body to control the dark forces within her, she was possessed by them, and became Dark Raven. Unknown to Raven at the time, when she attempted to implant a seed in Starfire, she actually implanted the good Raven that still existed inside of her, who directed Starfire to Tamaran in order to get as far away from Dark Raven as possible and protect herself from being corrupted, which is why Starfire can use Raven’s soul self. Dark Raven was still alive after Arella defeated her, but needed time to recover. She sent her Soul Self to find Starfire allllll the way on Tamaran, and then realized part of her soul was alive in her
Trigon’s soul was contained by the Souls of Azarath, but when they were destroyed, he was freed. When Trigon’s body died, he sent his genetic material into his seeds, murdering the “still-living” souls of his children. The seeds are Trigon himself, and he manipulated Raven into implanting them within her. When Raven gives birth to the new Trigon, she’ll die
After this, Raven’s flesh is gone, but her soul is now freed and golden, completely cleansed of Trigon’s influence. She decides to stick around on New Tamaran. She’s now a disembodied spirit, and helps out the Titans when they really need it
Raven’s body was vaporized, freeing her true uncorrupted golden soul-self. Raven’s soul disappeared, and Cyborg speculated that Raven had “transcended this plane”. Raven is summoned back to earth by Brother Blood and given a new, younger physical form out of blood by a ritual, confirmed again later. Even now, some of Trigon still exists within Raven, possibly never leaving her as long she’s bound to the Earth
After defeating Brother Blood and regaining control, she thinks she must “relearn” the full-extent of her abilities, suggesting she’s fluctuated in power. Later, as she recounts her backstory again, she wonders if her current young body is too weak to contain and control her power
Later on, Raven senses that Trigon has somehow survived his destruction and returned. It’s revealed Trigon thinned the ranks of his army and spread out his minions, but found himself attacked and defeated at all fronts by a thousand armies, leaving him at only at a tenth of his true power. In another recounting of Arella’s backstory, it’s said Trigon had other living children with other women, and now seeks to empower them to help him conquer the world
Trigon’s sons end up betraying him and instead steal his power, making him so weak he won’t be able to open another portal for centuries. Raven, who currently has the body of a 16 year old, is corrupted again by the presence of her family, and she goes full demon mode.
Raven represents the sin of Pride, the original sin from which all others spawn. That makes her a sort of big sister, and so she shocks all of her brothers at once and takes them all out. Raven takes a moment to acclimate to her “true form” and access all its variable , and wishes to share the power of sin with all of the Titans and rule the world alongside them, her true family. Through the Ramat stone, Raven’s good self attacks her evil self, and defeats her, seemingly merging with her as she returns the Titans home. Even after that, Raven still believes there’s a risk of her becoming a demon again if the circumstances arise, and so gives the Titans contingencies to stop her just in case
Raven’s brothers are still out there, and later Envy shows up and tries tricking Raven into losing control and becoming a demon. It doesn’t work, and Raven defeats him
Claims her powers have become “keener” since she first joined the Titans
It’s said that after the Phantom Stranger betrayed Raven, she began transforming and gaining more and more power
After being hurled through time, Raven is unable to contact her father, and wonders if it’s because something happened to him. She’s confused, as evil is supposed to be eternal. Later, Raven is surprised at being hurt, saying she’s the daughter of Trigon, and realizes Trigon must be gone, causing her to celebrate
Even freed from Trigon, Raven still feels an urge to kill people. Bunker reveals the team always knew she was a double agent, and she’s accepted by the Titans. It’s later revealed that this entire time, Raven was never really corrupted, she was hiding behind it to spy on Trigon and stop him
Raven getting angry is known to release Trigon from his prisoner dimension. Raven confronts her monstrous Soul-Self inside her own mind, which is trying to destroy her. She manages to overcome her father’s influence in her Soul-Self and regain control
Gets so angry she ends up becoming her demonic dark self, before calming down
Azure and Ash, two girls hunting Raven, are the daughters of humans experimented on to be Trigon’s brides. Some scientists plan to use Raven’s DNA, the only one of Trigon’s children not born a monster, to breed an army of children for him and use it to rule a multiverse. Trigon is summoned to Earth by the scientists, but is defeated when Raven absorbs the souls of her sisters and seals him away. This is, as of the time of writing, her last encounter with Trigon in-canon
Raven takes her team to Azarath, which looks remarkably intact and populated. She implies Azar is still alive currently
Discovers Violet, one of her sisters, is dead. Understandably, she starts going demon mode. Raven’s team restrains her before she can kill and calms her back to normal
In the dubiously canon Titans: Burning Rage, Raven describes how she’s tempted to unleash her full power, but worries doing so will release her uncontrollable darker self, implying she’s constantly holding back
Azarath
Azarath is the mystical interdimensional realm Raven was born and raised in. Led by the living goddess Azar, its denizens are the descendants of those who left Earth and embraced a life of pacifism. Both Raven and Arella were taught by the Priests of Azarath, and learned of their empathic ways. It’s suggested that the mystic energies of Azarath naturally empower empaths, having strengthened both Raven and Phantasm. While Azarath has been destroyed a few times, and in the New 52 was taken over by Trigon, it has last been depicted as being populated and inhabited by its priests as normal. Raven can call upon these Priests and their power if she’s struggling to cleanse someone of evil.
Arella enters Azarath, and describes it as being not another universe, but another dimension
Described as “flickering through time, yet not contained by it”
Raven goes to Azarath, where the Priests of Azarath can share their power with her
Raven can summon and contact the Priests of Azarath in the dimension, and vice-versa
Suggests that Brain and Monsieur Mallah will go mad if they stay too long in Azarath
Nexus of All Dimensions
The mysterious Nexus of All Dimensions is Raven’s domain, and where she is at her most powerful. Its nature is very poorly explained, and it hasn’t shown up in the comics for decades, but it’s stated to be linked to the emotions of all who live. Raven can use it to sort through the emotions of all, and locate specific people by calling upon Azar. The Nexus is linked to other dimensions, as the name would imply, and contains a “universe of lost souls”, which Raven has manipulated to return back to Earth. She can teleport herself and others to it at will.
Allows her to summon emotions from all who live. She uses this to single out and locate a specific man, sensing his emotions and location
Enhanced Physicality
After being empowered by Brother Blood, Raven boasts superhuman strength that rivals even Donna Troy. It’s suggested that she retained this amp permanently.
Empath Powers
Raven was born an empath, capable of sensing and controlling the emotions of others. Under the training of the goddess Azar and the Priests of Azarath, Raven gained a mastery of emotions, capable of absorbing and manipulating them at her will for a variety of effects.
Sensing
Raven most commonly applies her empathic abilities in the form of sensing. Raven passively detects and picks up on the emotions of others, allowing her to tell where someone is or what they are feeling. The more intense the emotion, the more intensity she feels, and strong negative emotions can overwhelm her and cause her to collapse. She’s detected emotions and feelings from across interstellar distances, and even from different dimensions. This allows her to detect beings who are invisible or who aren’t physically there, or the true intent of anyone she sees.
Feelings
Senses her friends are unconscious from under two miles away
Senses something is “amiss” and teleports to Azarath for answers
Senses Wally’s pain on Earth (note that last we saw her, she was in Azarath)
Senses a child is in pain from a large distance away, teleporting there
Senses the pain caused by drugs, which overwhelms her and forces her to leave, real subtle messaging
Uses her empathic powers to hear Scanner’s words and feel its pain, which causes her to break contact for a moment
Senses almost overwhelming hatred in Terra and an inner evil
Suggests she can feel an “aura of great evil” at crime scenes
Feels the joy of a crowd, and the agony of Adam, allowing her to tell he cannot control himself
Feels the emotions of a crowd, and with only a touch can see a life-time of horrors in a person
Senses growing fear and pain while meditating, and meditates to manage her own emotions
By reading emotions, is capable of solving a mystery before Nightwing can
Senses the darkness of the Children of the Cult, which draws her to them
Unable to sense danger from the Wildebeest, due to it being a brainwashed Cyborg, a friend
Senses someone fighting inside a building, and the sense of them dying makes her reel back
While using Raven’s empathic powers, Starfire can sense Dark Raven’s feelings
Raven senses the pain and suffering on Earth while well away from it in space
Even while he hides his emotions, Raven can sense Robin’s pain and true turmoil
Senses that the emotions of her fellow students are being altered
Raven senses the same emotions she first felt when she first met Cyborg, though there’s too much emotion clouding the area, so Raven can’t tell if it’s him precisely
The Priests of Azarath sense Raven’s summons, and sense Supergirl is from Krypton, alongside the turmoil within her. Raven and the Priests later sense hate and death on Earth from Azarath
Senses the emotions of the general public and all the Titans
Senses the strength in Solstice’s spirit. For Raven, the bright hopeful emotions are dangerous
The fear and anxiety the other Titans feel about losing Cassie gnaws away at Raven
Raven can tell Booster Gold is telling the truth, and that Rip Hunter is fearful
Raven senses something is up with Superboy, and that it’s actually someone else
Raven scans the area, and senses a sentience reaching out in fear
Senses a gathering of dark thoughts focused in a single location, and a single command constantly echoing through it. She senses the location of the darkness
Senses the fear and anger and sadness in Pyg’s victims, and is nearly overwhelmed by it
Raven can perform a polygraph test, and can tell if Lucia is lying or telling the truth
Gets an empathic read of human fear, detecting survivors nearby
Considered a greater telepath than Schiz. For reference, Schiz could feel the emotions of billions of souls even upon being born with her power
[Dark Raven] Senses the feeling of death
[Dark Raven] The souls of Azarath sense Azar’s power in Arella
[Dark Raven] The Azarathean souls, now emerging as a Soul-Self, felt Arella’s power even through dimensions
[Golden Raven] Senses Wally has been captured by a machine
[Golden Raven] Senses the other Titans have been placed in illusions
[Golden Raven] Senses the pain in Victor’s soul
[Golden Raven] Senses Zauriel’s feelings without outright reading his mind
[Golden Raven] Senses Donna’s distress, which overwhelms Raven
[Trigon] Senses a build-up of Azar’s power
[Phantasm] Senses the truth is being told
[Phantasm] Is nearly overwhelmed by the pain it senses. It says that feeding on pain is what gives it strength
Presences
Senses Trigon’s coming through her powers, and assembles the Titans through her empathic senses
Can sense Brainiac’s “soulless intellect” even after his body is destroyed
Implies she can detect lingering sensations at a crime scene. Later, she notes a lack of sensations at a location, and so can tell people are long gone from it. Being able to sense emanations at a crime scene is normal and reliable for her
Suggests she can sense people’s locations even while in her own Soul-Self
Raven can send out "soul searches" to find people's locations. She says that she cannot sense the presence of the Titans due to lacking the power (though it’s unclear if that's due to her being weakened or not). Raven notes that she cannot sense her friends as her "power is not that great"
Senses the location of a bomb, and senses that another one has exploded. The cries of thousands dying hurts Raven
Senses Danny's familiar "mind-scent", though she’s unable to get a clear impression beyond just sensing a friend before being knocked out
Raven detects a robot among a crowd by sensing a “void” in the cacophony of souls
Raven scans for Manchester Black’s current location, noting that his personality stands out
Can sense the heroes on Earth awakening from stasis while on an alien planet
While blinded, relies on her other senses to find Azure
Senses Baron Winters observing her, which he thinks should be impossible
[Trigon] Senses Wintersgate
[Arella] Senses Raven's presence
[Arella] Can sense Raven’s presence
[Arella] Senses Trigon coming to Earth
Other
Can tell Francis Kane is a nexus from this reality to something else
Seemingly senses if there’s permanent damage to Cyborg’s organic parts
Senses Cassie’s broken ribs, but also senses how she’ll heal
Senses danger in Hell’s Kitchen from Titans Tower. She seems to sense how long it will take for a gas line to rupture, where, and how many people will be killed
Senses a portal is from “another time”, and senses the urgency of the people creating it
Senses the energy of a magic rod is fading away, and that the rod has almost lost power
Raven could sense a surge of energy from thousands of miles away
Senses that the dark energy of a mountain is not from this world
[Dark Raven] The leaking magic of the Starheart is sensed by Dark Raven as it ripples throughout the universe, even to Apokolips and the Phantom Stranger
[Golden Raven] Senses the gender of Starfire’s unborn child
[Golden Raven] Guides Wonder Woman to the location of Darkseid from a great distance away
Emotion Manipulation
Raven is a master of manipulating the emotions of others, absorbing them or changing how they feel. This can be used to drain someone of their feelings, or, more potently, for outright brainwashing. While Raven has always had this power to some extent, she became capable of altering emotions freely after receiving a permanent power boost from Brother Blood. Of note is that Raven has said that the emotions of the young are nearer to the surface, making them easier to tap into, and she’s claimed she doesn't require a person to be solid to use her powers, they just have to have thoughts to be reached and a soul for her to enter.
Mind Manipulation
States she can play off emotions to create images within people’s minds
Drains a kid’s emotions, but in the process absorbs the effects of the drugs he’s under
Manipulates the emotions of a crowd to resurrect Brother Blood
Fills Starfire and Wally West with mindless anger, making them attack each other
With Brother Blood’s gift, she controls the emotions of a crowd to prevent them from panicking, albeit with strain
Brings peace into the minds of some hybrids, calming and freeing them from the control of Mento
Mentally links with the Titans to empower her and invade Mento’s mind, freeing him from the helmet’s control (though note she was affecting him on her own too)
Offers to dispel Cyborg’s inner darkness, stating she can now control emotions as well as physical pain. She laters offers to control the emotions of the public and force them to like the Titans
Almost imprints joy onto a Wildebeest, though she’s disrupted before she can do so
Controls Nightwing’s emotions to make him love her, doing so unconsciously
Purges guards of the emotions that drive them, turning them into empty vessels, and makes others stop fighting her outright
Implies she could easily incapacite some supervillains with her powers
Feeds on Beast Boy’s self-consciousness to break free of mind control
After being placed in her new body, Raven passively consumes heightened emotions around her, which she tries to control
Soothes Match and brings Jericho, who was possessing him, back into control
Begins suddenly absorbing the emotions around her, causing her pain
Senses how the emotions around her are agitated, and tries absorbing them, which makes her keel over
Raven can feel her own fear entering Bret, and eases his emotional pain
Feels the pain of her friends going away as she holds their hands, and calms her own emotions
Raven’s Soul-Self sensed the emotional attacks Laura was making on her friends, and instinctively absorbed her hate, causing Raven to feel pain throughout this entire mini-run without her knowing
Raven is implied to telepathically control a monster and uses it to take her back to Titans Tower
Eases a victim’s pain and suffering, turning them from a beast boy-style monster back to a human. The other victims are too far gone for her to reverse the transformation
Uses her empathic powers to make her friends like her instantly
Brainwashes a guard. As an empath, she devours the emotions of others
Mind controls a bunch of doctors to not be freaked out by Violet’s face and to help her
Sneaks up on some guards and wipes their minds to make them think green cats are normal
[Dark Raven] While trapping the Titans in nightmares, she controls their emotions
[Dark Raven] Induces lust in the future Nightwing and seduces a woman
[Dark Raven] Corrupts the future Nightwing into her servant, Deathwing
[Dark Raven] Forces Starfire to love her
[Dark Raven] Beast Boy is brainwashed and made a slave by Raven (though note even when controlled by Raven, Beast Boy clearly has a somewhat independent conscience and later turns against her)
[Dark Raven] Makes all the people she’s kidnapped her servants
[Dark Raven] Controls and corrupts Supergirl. Note that Supergirl’s soul is explicitly uncorrupted even as she’s controlled
[Golden Raven] Attempted to soothe the distress in Cyborg’s soul, though had to abandon doing so
[Trigon] With Trigon’s powers, Psimon psionically tampers with the minds of the Titans
[Phantasm] After putting her to sleep, blocks Supergirl’s telepathic contact with Raven. Raven later takes back control of Supergirl, overpowering Phantasm’s soothing dreams
Sleep Manipulation
Other
By controlling her emotions, simply reaches into her mind and leaves an induced nightmare
Through Azar’s teachings, makes herself unconscious to bear the pain she feels
Telepathy
As an empath, Raven can telepathically affect others, ranging from simple long-range communication to outright reading minds. She can also wipe and replace memories, up to replacing an entire city’s worth of people’s memories of an event.
Communication
Projects an image of a far-away danger into the minds of the Titans
Raven enters Nightwing's mind and communicates with him as the Gargoyle makes him experience his past memories in a dream, though she says she can only communicate in a limited fashion and cannot remain long, and is unable to hold off the Gargoyle’s mental assaults forever
Raven taps into a “cyberempathic flow” on the Travel-Sphere to listen to what it's saying
Raven speaks to Supergirl as the latter is meditating and fighting off her inner demons
Shares her mind with the Shadow Thief, scaring him and knocking him out (note that this comic may or may not be a dream, the ending is unclear)
Raven hardens Lilith’s telepathic link with a psychic bond, and “astrally projects” into Jericho, who then transfers his conscience into Wally West, essentially giving him near-field communication for all the Titans. The fear Wally feels feeds back into Raven, his link to Earth, and causes her pain, the link beginning to fray
Tim Drake lets Raven enter his mind and spread his thoughts to the others in the room
Tries maintaining a telepathic link between the Titans and Savior as he falls through the timestream, but it quickly shreds, giving them only a glimpse
Engages in a mental conversation with Superboy, in a mindscape of moments throughout Blackfire and Superboy’s lives, before Superboy “spits” her out
[Dark Raven] Raven is in telepathic contact with Beast Boy
[Dark Raven] Communicates with Deathwing via telepathic summons
[Dark Raven] Talks with Supergirl
[Trigon] Assaults Bar Torr with mental images
[Phantasm] Phantasm enters Starfire’s mind and merges with her thoughts, helping her fight off Raven’s control
Mind Reading
Reads Zorgan’s mind as he dies to learn his thoughts and the locations of the bombs
Reads a man’s mind and memories, allowing her to tell he’s lying
Senses the words of the Titans on Earth from Azarath, and the presence of one of her minions
Probes the mind of a soldier and uses him as a sort of medium. She acknowledges she’s tired though
Raven reads Manchester Black’s mind, but finds that Superboy’s salvation is in a supermax prison, and is knocked out from the whiplash. Raven is clearly too worn out from everything that’s happened to do anything, but she manages to think back to what she saw in Black’s mind, and describes Despero, who she senses is too strong for them to deal with
Probes the minds of Baron Winters and the cat Merlin, though the memories of the latter pain her
Reads Skye’s memories and discovers the history of the Arcanes
[Dark Raven] Reads Donna’s thoughts
[Arella] Reads Pantha’s mind
Memory Altering
Raven could wipe Supergirl’s memories of her father, though she refuses to
Raven implants false memories across the entire city of San Francisco to help the population move on
Plants thoughts in her friend’s heads to suggest them to come over
Wipes the memory of her family and friends, which accidentally wipes her family’s memories of her existence. Whoops! She later restores her family’s memories of her
Other
Healing
One of Raven’s primary functions on her team is to act as a healer. Raven’s healing works by taking the pain of others into herself and letting it pass out of her body, expelling the pain completely. While she cannot heal those that are already dying, she’s capable of healing ailments like broken ribs or boiling blood. This requires feeling their pain herself, which has knocked Raven out in the past, but she’s also successfully managed to expel the pain of hundreds of people at once without collapsing. She can also cure ailments such as diseases or poisons, taking them into herself, and her healing has been described as her soul entering the body of the one she’s curing
While in her earlier years it was stated she couldn’t, later on Raven is shown to be capable of healing her own injuries, likely due to her empowerment by Brother Blood. It’s likely her ability to heal herself has a similar potency to her healing of others, as they function on the same principle of expelling pain.
Draws the pain away from a child whose blood is boiling, absorbing it into herself before expelling it
Heals Monsieur Mallah, absorbing both his pain and the pain he inflicts on others
While empowered by Trigon, uses her energy to fix a wheelchair-bound girl’s broken legs
Heals an injured man, his cuts appearing on her face before passing, before later curing a man of his arthritis
Heals Arella from near death, with the pain later on making her struggle to stand
Absorbs a pregnant woman’s pain, including her unborn child’s. She needs a few minutes to expunge the pain she’s absorbed, which is abnormal for her, as she later realizes she actually took in Ultra-Humanite’s pain as well
Heals Beast Boy, even reflecting his tears onto herself as she absorbs his pain
Helps heal Donna, though says she can only take in some of her pains, and that her abilities aren’t exact or without limits. She mentions expelling the pains out of herself is a rush, and that she’s learned to accept it
Raven drains Donna of a poison running through her system and absorbs it into herself, leaving herself poisoned. Donna is still poisoned, but is able to recover thanks to Raven as the poison is diluted. It’s later shown that Donna saw an image of the beastmen that poisoned her while Raven was reaching her soul into hers, and managed to fight them off
Raven heals Joey, though the time and pain she feels doing so is unusually high. She speculates a cold has affected her soul self and healing powers, but it’s implied to in reality be due to the soul-draining effects of her current boyfriend and the danger she senses in him
Can only heal Jack's suffering so far, and that he has to learn to live with his lost eye
Raven heals Dove’s injuries, including head trauma and three broken ribs
Heals Superboy and speeds along his regeneration. Superboy is full of kryptonite, which Raven says she can’t heal, but it’s worth noting her powers were in-flux and not functioning properly at the time
Absorbs Wally’s pain as he opens the Speedforce, even as he considers it excruciating
Feels and heals a dude’s pain, allowing him to see again after being briefly blinded
Takes Wonder Woman’s pain into herself, healing her from near death, though the pain she experiences makes her collapse herself
Heals and saves a bunch of dying civilians, and heals a kid’s leg
Swallows the pain caused by the Ghost of Christmas Past across the city
[Dark Raven] Drains Jericho of the rest of a poison
While not healing in a traditional sense, Raven’s family have shown potent regenerative abilities.
[Trigon] Quickly heals his eyes
[Trigon] Even after his body and soul are destroyed, Trigon eventually comes back
[Siblings] Belial heals his chopped off hands
[Siblings] Raven tears out Belial’s heart, but it can grow back in moments
[Siblings] Pandora cuts off the heads of Ruskoff and Suge, which they quickly recover from
Energy Absorption
Raven can drain others of their energy and empower herself with it. This is typically explained as being the opposite of her ability to heal, taking the strength of others instead of lending others her own. As such, Raven doesn’t like doing it to her teammates, as it will weaken them.
Arella and Raven tap into the core of their souls to help drain Trigon's powers. On her own, Arella admits Trigon's powers overshadow her and she cannot hold him for long, while Raven struggles to maintain it for long
Helps channel 10 megajoules of electromagnetic energy to the Rock of Eternity
[Golden Raven] Channels the spiritual energies of Wonder Woman and the Amazons into Darkseid to replenish him
[Siblings] Trigon’s sons betray him and steal his power, making him so weak he won’t be able to open another portal for centuries. It’s later said that because they drained Trigon when he was almost empty, they didn’t gain much power
Soul Manipulation
Raven can manipulate souls, interfacing with them or controlling their shape. With her own Soul-Self, she can pierce souls directly, even while they’re still inside someone’s body.
Interfaces with Drone’s soul, sharing experiences and visions
Raven “stabbed” the souls of the Titans with her Soul-Self, grounding them in different parts of the time-stream. It’s stated earlier that she needs to connect with the Titans throughout time, grabbing their souls with her talons
Banishes some spirits to the spirit world, and later banishes the Ghost of Christmas Past from Earth
Raven uses her Soul-Self to slam around a ghost. The ghost is anchored, and she later frees the ghost from his soul-lock with a flick of her wrist, allowing him to travel unconfined
Beast Boy says he thinks Raven is ready to rip the Disruptor’s soul out, though it’s unclear how literal he’s being
While being used by Starfire, her Soul-Self helps destroy Trigon’s soul. Note that not even the souls of Azarath could destroy Trigon’s energy
[Dark Raven] By possessing a woman, destroys her soul
[Dark Raven] Feeds on Monsieur Moniard’s soul
[Dark Raven] Raven feeds on souls, and threatens to feed on part of Liz’s again, implying she drained some of her’s
[Golden Raven] Guides Cyborg’s soul into a CPU, and later funnels his soul into the Omegadrome
[Golden Raven] Prevents Cyborg’s soul from dissipating, though it takes all her “soul energy” and she cannot do so forever
[Golden Raven] Channels the spiritual energies of the Amazons into Darkseid. Raven uses her empathic powers to fuse part of Wonder Woman’s soul into Darkseid without him knowing, tainting his soul with a part that longs for hope and kindness
[Trigon] Trigon pierces and cuts Violet’s soul as she possesses Raven’s soulless body (note that Violet was later shown to be nearly dead, but alive after this)
When Raven’s body was destroyed and she became Dark Raven, she sought vessels strong enough to withstand the souls of the hundred slain children of Trigon, in order for them to be reborn. She implants these ‘Trigon seeds’ with a kiss, allowing the souls to grow within. These seeds seem to only sprout in metahumans, as those without powers wither into desiccated husks when Raven kisses them and implants a seed. Through this, all 100 of her siblings can be implanted and reborn in their new bodies. Even after she seemingly dies, Raven’s minions still have the Trigon seeds in them, and they must be removed by doctors, showing the extent of Raven’s control over their souls. There’s some slight implication that Starfire and Supergirl have the power to resist Raven’s control due to being aliens, however that works.
[Dark Raven] The souls of Azarath possessing Raven contain Trigon’s essence, and claim they found the soul of Azar and held it in their Soul-Selves, deeming it weak before destroying it with ease. It turns out Azar’s soul lived on in Arella, but it’s notable that they believed this in the first place
[Dark Raven] Kisses Starfire, attempting to implant her demon seed, and drains part of her soul. Even weeks later, Starfire is still suffering trauma from Raven’s attack, and it’s stated the evil Raven implanted inside Starfire drove her crazy for weeks. Starfire harbors two souls due to the Trigon seed, and the seed is what gave her the urge to go back to Tamaran. It’s later revealed that when Raven attempted to implant a seed in Starfire, she actually unknowingly implanted the good Raven that still existed inside of her, who directed Starfire to Tamaran, which allows Starfire to use Raven’s Soul-Self and her empathic powers
[Dark Raven] Liz’s body is severely aged by the Trigon seed, and Starfire is going crazy due to the influence of Raven. Starfire hears voices in her head from it, and the voice of Raven trying to corrupt her, even somehow wiping Starfire’s memory of her time on Earth
[Dark Raven] Liz’s body explodes as it can not bear the power of Trigon’s offspring
[Dark Raven] Beast Boy thinks the entire Justice League could bear the souls of Trigon’s children
[Dark Raven] Drains a man of his soul with a kiss, and claims she needs a million souls to fuel her in the final ceremony
[Dark Raven] Even after Raven seemingly dies, Beast Boy is still corrupted by the Trigon seed and still serves her. The seed within Beast Boy carries the souls of 10 of Trigon’s children
[Dark Raven] Raven finally summons forth the seeds of 10 of her siblings from within Beast Boy and lets them be reborn, isolating the soul. This frees Beast Boy from his madness, but it’s much later revealed that even after it was removed, some part of the Trigon seed still lingers within Beast Boy
Soul Absorption
Raven can absorb and channel souls in their entirety. She has twice defeated Trigon by absorbing the souls of many others, and using them to greatly empower herself.
[Trigon] Trigon siphoned 100 billion souls from his home dimension to escape the Netherverse, stealing the souls of his entire universe, and absorbs 4 billion more on Earth to return to full power
Miscellaneous
The following are any empathic abilities Raven has that don’t fit into the aforementioned categories.
Can purge Kid Crusader of his demon essence and let it free. She ends up restraining Kid Crusader, but cannot hold him for much longer, and transfers the demon essence from Crusader to Kid Devil by touching both
Takes control of the Dawnbreaker’s constructs and sic them on him
Mentally battles a man on a “sideways plane of existence”. Her Soul-Self is stretched to breaking. The fight lasts three days straight, with Raven appearing totally motionless standing still in Arizona against him the entire time. Nightwing isn’t a meta and so is immune to his “astral powers”, and simply whacks unconscious his physical form
Raven empathically assists Miss Martian, preventing her psionics from hurting a man
Has a mental training session, where she basically simulates a battle in her head
[Phantasm] As an empath, Phantasm interfaces with cyberspace to see the true intent of the Technis
Limitations
The following are any instances of her empathic powers failing to work or showing a limit.
Sensing
The immense emotions around her on Earth knock an early Raven unconscious, and Wally West’s passions and love cause her pain
Unable to separate the Titans' emanations from all the others in Trigon's dimension
Raven tries using her empathic powers to scan for Donna, but Crius invades her mind and makes her feel the emotions of every person on the planet, knocking her out
She notes a person she’s saving is blinded by too many emotions, and so she can’t get a good read
Unsure if she can calm down some monsters, as she senses nothing but pure rage
Is so overwhelmed by Solstice’s emotions and inner energy that she involuntarily attacks as she can’t take the anguish anymore. She describes it like she felt a great weight pushing down on her
Senses an aura of darkness around Cassandra, but is unable to tell if she’s lying due to the complexity of her mind, with too many twists and turns. She describes it as full of mazes
A crowd with conflicting emotions makes her unable to concentrate. She senses the crowd is being mind controlled, but is unable to free their conflicting resisting emotions
The fear of all the innocents in Gotham is unbearable for Raven
Momentarily stunned by the worsening terror and confusion around her
Superboy’s Solar Flare acts as a jamming frequency, and prevents Raven from locking on to him. It’s later said that Damian and Jon Kent being knocked out is the only way to prevent Raven from tracking them
Senses a presence, but doesn’t spot the invisible Azure hiding away
Even without her soul, can sense high levels of residual source energy and impending hostility from far away. That said, without her soul she finds it hard to focus empathically and might be reading her own worries. Without her Soul-Self, she’s unable to tell what Donna is thinking. She describes it like she’s not feeling anything
Senses Donna’s presence, but a malevolent force makes it difficult to focus
Telepathy
Raven has trouble communicating with animals due to how primal their fear is
Even unconscious, Grymm’s mind is a mess with many layers, so Raven cannot scan it
Senses the thoughts of the souls around her, including Mother Blood and Kyle, but it’s almost drowned out by the loudness of Mother Blood’s thoughts
Emotion Manipulation
Getting hit while using her empathic powers disrupts her, forcing her to teleport away
Sent flying by the Disrupter while trying to connect with him
Senses how the emotions around her are agitated, and tries absorbing them, which makes her keel over
Headcase is out of control, and so Raven can no longer reach out to him
Draws the pain of a crowd into her, which hurts as she cannot easily disperse it. She tries alleviating their fears as they enter a sphere, but she’s unable to stop them. She is overwhelmed by the emotions around her
Tries putting a man to sleep with a blast, but he resists and goes berserk. The man goes supernova, and Raven tries touching him to heal his pain, but it burns her hands
[Dark Raven] Lilith manages to turn the possessed Titans against Raven, wresting control of them from her
Healing
A dying man with an unstable heart has pain beyond Raven’s power to remove
Getting hit while using her empathic powers disrupts her, forcing her to teleport away
A hit from Ultra-Humanite interrupts her as she tries extracting his pain
While she's draining the pain from somebody, Raven is completely unaware of her surroundings
Curing old age is beyond Raven's ability, and she cannot prevent death from it
Azure prevents Raven from healing her, giving her an electrical shock instead
Soul-Self
Raven’s signature ability, where she separates her soul from her body. Her Soul-Self typically manifests as the silhouette of a raven, but it’s also taken the shape of a fully limbed bird, or even the shape of Raven herself. Raven can see, hear, and speak through her Soul-Self, allowing her to communicate at long distance or survey areas. Her Soul-Self also contains an entirely separate dimension inside of it, and possesses all of Raven’s empathic abilities, allowing Raven to absorb her foes to manipulate their mind from within, or alternatively for simple storage as Raven travels. Raven can operate her Soul-Self from over a thousand miles away, and possibly even interstellar distances.
Her Soul-Self is indicated a few times to embody Raven’s dark side, everything about her that comes from Trigon, with Raven’s body being what contains that evil and keeps it at bay. At one point, when Raven’s body was destroyed, her Soul-Self’s evil could no longer be contained, and began acting on its own as the supervillain Dark Raven, possessing a woman and using her body before it could dissipate. At the end of this arc, Raven’s soul is purified and becomes golden, with Raven now able to freely act and use her powers as just her soul. Later on, her Soul-Self is shown to contain both a demonic half and a good half.
Mechanics
Pulled in by tractor beams, suggesting it may have mass
Functions even as Raven is unconscious (she claims in the next issue she barely had time to release it before she was knocked out)
Contains a dimension of “infinite” darkness, which exposes those inside to the truth
Her Soul-Self gets possessed and physically fights off the Teen Titans
Her Soul-Self being out seems to limit her abilities and may prevent her from teleporting
Spots an injured child with her Soul-Self and can engage in conversation with Obsidian with it
Raven was taught to send her “astral self” into the Nether-Regions
She finds it extremely difficult to hold her Soul-Self in her new body shell without her chakra
Describes her Soul-Self as another dimension and an empty void
After it’s split from her, Raven grabs onto her split soul in mid-air, but it knocks her away and sends her plummeting to the ground. She’s unable to fly, but her soul-self crashes back into her and rejoins
While not explicitly called out in the comic, at one point Raven splits her Soul-Self from her body and it’s seemingly invisible to other people, as Raven is trying to hide her identity at the time and none of her classmates or family comment on it. This happens again in a later comic
Raven’s body and soul exist uniquely independently. At one point, when Raven’s Soul-Self is out of her body, and Violet has fused with her and filled Raven’s body with her own soul, an attack from Trigon targets only Violet and does no damage to Raven
Raven has a subtle feeling of unease, but takes a bit to realize her Soul-Self is gone. When she’s near it, Raven can feel the pain of her trapped Soul-Self, and can tell its close
When her Soul-Self is split into two, its good half appears to be tangible and touchable, and can teleport. The good half later merges with both Lenore and the physical Raven, becoming whole again
[Dark Raven] Operating as just her Soul-Self while her body is destroyed, Raven claims her soul is actually better than her body, as it can’t be wounded or killed
[Dark Raven] Raven projects her soul from her hair
[Dark Raven] Described as a non-corporeal Terran soul matching the bio-pattern of the soul found in Starfire
[Golden Raven] Can seemingly sense the number of people stored within her Soul-Self
Absorption
Raven’s soul is a dimensional portal, which leads to an alternate dimension and the domain of Raven, a safe space where she claims she can’t be hurt. The Soul-Self’s inside is drawn like an entirely separate universe, and Raven can fully exert her empathic powers inside it. She commonly uses it for storage, containing people or objects inside it as she travels.
Absorbs the blasts of some terrorists, before telekinetically grabbing a bomb
Absorbs the telekinetic attacks of Francis Kane and expels them, later growing in size to absorb entire cars (though she mentions that “under these conditions” she cannot maintain her Soul-Self for long)
Envelops a Gordanian, who later explodes inside her with her feeling no ill-effect
Envelops Thunder and Lightning, her Soul-Self inside being described as “endless”
The energy of Sparta's blast fills Raven a moment before her soul-self shatters, with some of her power remaining in Raven's soul without releasing. Raven can contain Sparta’s power within her Soul-Self, in the same way she contains the demon Trigon, and grows her Soul-Self in size to envelop and contain Sparta, alongside containing Athyns and Donna
Jericho tries possessing her, only for his soul to be dragged into her soul-self
Raven lets Supergirl into her Soul-Self, and takes her to Azarath
Carries some injured civilians in her Soul-Self as she flies
Stores an unconscious Bart Allen in her Soul-Self realm for safety, and later pulls him out
[Dark Raven] Absorbs a starbolt from Starfire, and ensnares her and the other Titans
[Dark Raven] Absorbs Kyle Rayner
[Golden Raven] Frees the Titans of the fake virtual realities they’ve been placed in with her Soul-Self, even the likes of Supergirl
[Golden Raven] Raven stores Cyborg’s soul in her Soul-Self for a time, though she cannot hold his soul indefinitely, as it takes all of her “soul energy” to prevent his soul from dissipating
[Golden Raven] Catches Donna in her Soul-Self and teleports her from Heaven to Earth
[Golden Raven] Contains Darkseid and Wonder Woman in her soul-self
Mind Manipulation
Raven commonly uses her Soul-Self to alter the emotions of others, whether through showing them their greatest fears or outright manipulating their mind. Note that, as these abilities are a subset of Raven’s standard empath powers, she should be able to replicate any of the following feats of mind manipulation without using her Soul-Self.
Traps the Disruptor, showing him a nightmare of his future fate which leaves him subdued
Loses control and almost kills Wally West. It’s unclear how she does this, but Wally mentions feeling immense pain while ensnared by her, suggesting it could be her manipulating the pain he feels
Calms a berserk Beast Boy, absorbing and expelling his anger
Envelops two criminals, making them feel the pain they caused others
Envelops a child, showing him a vision of what will happen if he gets addicted to drugs
Enters Obsidian’s soul with her own, sensing his feelings and thoughts on the people in his life
Envelops Ultra-Humanite, making him flash through his own memories
Stores seven people inside her Soul-Self as she teleports, instinctively calming the fears
Raven senses no danger from the Wildebeest and pacifies him with her Soul-Self
Envelops Cyborg and purges Jericho from him, who was possessing him
Soul-Self burns Eric, and frees the many trapped souls within him (as well as Jericho seemingly)
Raven’s Soul-Self mentally affects the Titans and causes them to start thinking negative thoughts
Accidentally uses her Soul-Self to calm Cassie down without meaning to
”Swallows” the emotions of a crowd, eating their anger with her soul-self
Raven unleashes her Soul-Self and traps Superboy, sending him on a literal soul-searching journey through his own memories and thoughts
Envelops a villain in her soul-self and takes them out of the fight
Envelops Risk in her Soul-Self and makes him relive his past agony
Her Soul-Self travels across a city, freeing her friends from mind control
Guides fleeing civilians to safety inside her shadow self. Raven shows all the people stored in her shadows in a horrifying image. She lets them all free, and says they’ll be fine in a few weeks
Helps calm and stabilize Robert as he loses control of his powers
[Dark Raven] Fires a blast at Cyborg which puts him in an illusion in her Soul-Self to make him think he's dying, though he breaks out by punching through her Soul-Self
[Dark Raven] Absorbs Lanier into her cloak and places him in an illusion
[Golden Raven] Envelops Orion in her Soul Self and calms his rage
[Golden Raven] Transports Donna, Roy, and the rest of the Titans via her Soul Self
[Golden Raven] Contains some villains in her soul-self to cleanse them of evil
Dimensional Travel
The Soul-Self is connected to other dimensions, and Raven can use it to teleport others upon contact, sending them to a different point on Earth or to other universes. She can use this to support her teammates, or to banish her foes completely, removing them from the battlefield.
Banishes Brother Blood and his men to a hellscape, a later comic confirming they were banished to another dimension by Raven, specifically to the 8th layer of Hell. She suspects her Soul-Self sent Brother Blood and his cult far, far away, but is not fully sure, suggesting she did this unconsciously
Teleports some heroes away by reaching out to them with tendrils from her Soul-Self
Takes some mooks to the “nightmare realm” and sends them out traumatized
Teleports two pilots to Belle Reve upon contact with her Soul-Self
[Phantasm] Teleports some lasers to another dimension with its body (note that this is directly compared in function to Raven’s Soul-Self)
Restraining
Raven’s Soul-Self is usually depicted as being corporeal, and can be used to physically restrain things. As Dark Raven, she frequently shapeshifts her Soul-Self into shackles around others.
Restrains some security guards with her blue Soul-Self, knocking a cannon out of their hands
[Dark Raven] Raven projects her soul from her hair and uses it to restrain Donna
[Dark Raven] Restrains Kyle by shapeshifting her Soul-Self hair
[Dark Raven] Restrains and kidnaps Starfire
[Dark Raven] Shapes itself to carry Beast Boy through space
Concussive Force
The Soul-Self has shown to be able to apply force as it travels in order to attack or repel enemies.
Sends Kid Devil flying back with her Soul-Self, breaking the ground
Gets tackled into the ground by some demons, before repelling them with her Soul-Self
Unleashes her Soul-Self and blows Headcase away, knocking him out
Senses fear and projects her Soul-Self, which rams into and takes down some soldiers
Possession
Due to being a literal soul, Raven has at one point used her Soul-Self to project her consciousness into others and speak through them. After her body was destroyed, her dark Soul-Self outright destroyed the soul of a random woman and replaced it with its own, taking her body for itself. Likewise, other Azarathean spirits alongside her father have routinely possessed others, even believing themselves capable of possessing Superman. These souls are very powerful, and a host that’s too weak will outright die if they contain the souls inside for too long. It’s been stated that both Raven’s corrupted Soul-Self and the spirits of Azarath risk dissipating entirely if they don’t find a host quickly, but this is no longer an issue for Raven later in her history, as Raven’s purified and golden Soul-Self has lasted for years, and both her dark and good souls were completely fine while separated from her body for weeks in an entirely separate plane of reality.
[Dark Raven] Her corrupted and bodiless Soul-Self possesses a woman on Earth and destroys her soul, taking it as her new body
[Trigon] Trigon’s essence merges with the souls of Azarath upon his destruction
[Trigon + Souls of Azarath] Jericho is corrupted and possessed by the souls, his ability to possess others conditioning his body to accept the souls. The souls later transfer into the rest of the Titans. Much later, Jericho notes that the souls of Azarath/Trigon are much better at possession than he could ever be, though it’s debatable how literal he’s being.
[Trigon] Tim Drake is possessed by Trigon from across dimensions
[Trigon] Trigon possesses Bar Torr, Superboy, Cassie, and Miguel
[Siblings] Suge possesses Bar Torr. He’s knocked out of it by a blow to the head, and Bar Torr says he needs to hold his mind to possess it, and that wasn’t gonna work because Bar Torr thinks too fast
Resilience
Raven’s Soul-Self is quite tanky, and is capable of enduring many strong attacks. Even when it’s been completely shattered, Raven can quickly repair it and keep going.
Survives having her Soul-Self shattered by Hyperion, though recalling it causes her pain
Shields all the Titans from a massive explosion, though it heavily strains her
Safeguards Donna, blocking an energy blast which had previously knocked her out, and flies away
Attempts to envelop Plasmus, whose protoplasm shatters her Soul-Self and forces her to recall it
Endures a constant blast from Sparta before eventually exploding and shattering, with Raven managing to recall its shattered pieces back into herself. She teleports soon after this, but Nightwing later claims she’s still used up a lot of her strength
Survives Brother Blood destroying her Soul-Self after she envelops him, though it takes a bit for her to recover
A fight between Donna Troy, Sparta, and Athyns in her soul-self threatens to rip Raven's soul apart, but she manages to withstand it
Dark Angel destroys Raven’s Soul-Self with a blast, knocking her out of the fight for a bit
Kestrel cuts through Raven’s Soul-Self and subdues her. Bart collects the remaining scattered pieces of her Soul-Self somehow
[Dark Raven] The combined power of Starfire's starbolt and Cyborg's sonic blast breaks the Soul Self from within and frees them from it, knocking Raven away, but she quickly recovers
Miscellaneous
Raven astral projects into the limbo of Azarath while her body is on Earth
An angered Raven projecting her Soul Self shakes the entire Titans Tower
Arella says Raven can't get sick, as her Soul-Self protects her from all illnesses
Raven's soul-self senses danger in Eric and acts by itself without Raven's command, knocking him away
Raven's Soul-Self is the well of many Azarathean lives, and so is basically worth many souls in one
Raven’s good self envelops her evil self in her Soul-Self, and appears to merge with it and restore Raven to normal
The Soul-Self’s energy is proof against Belial’s hellfire, and she can sheathe herself and others if they’re resilient enough with a touch. She does so to Superboy, who describes it as pretty painful. Raven’s power fades from Superboy over time
Raven summons her Soul-Self to stop the Shadow Riders, who aren’t solid
Raven sends her Soul-Self to chase after Beast Boy, who’s been sucked into a statue. She feels him fading, and convinces him to lose control by speaking through her Soul-Self
Jericho’s lion-shaped Soul-Self knocks away all the Titans, restrains Donna, and straight up disintegrates a Wildebeest upon contact, multiple times. Arella says his Soul-Self is more powerful than seemingly hers or Raven’s, but Arella is notably immune to its effects and Jericho’s attempts to attack her, due to Azar’s soul resting within her
[Dark Raven] Uses “a manifestation of her soul” to create a sort of shield which repels Nightwing and others from reaching her
[Dark Raven] Casts dark lightning from her soul to harm Phantasm
[Dark Raven] Teleports away while restraining Starfire
[Dark Raven] Attacks and destroys the Technis ship with its projections, creating a huge explosion
[Golden Raven] Her Soul Self is stricken by Zauriel’s holy sword in order to create a portal to the celestial plane, unfolding into a “trans-reality” portal to Heaven. It’s stated that only a combination of holy fire and ascending soul will penetrate the veils of Pax Dei
Limitations
Raven’s Soul-Self is the core of many of her powers, and without it in her body, she becomes unable to utilize some of her key abilities. The exact specifics of it are a little inconsistent, such as one comic suggesting she can’t fly without it while a later comic says she still can, but it’s clear it weakens her. The most detailed explanation given is that without her Soul-Self, she still has access to some of her residual magic and baser abilities, such as flight and energy projection, but the potency and range of her abilities is diminished. It’s also quite literally her emotional core, and without it she is unable to feel any form of empathy.
Initially, she could only safely keep her soul separate for up to 5 minutes, as anything longer would thrust her soul into a nightmarish alternate dimension which would try to rip her soul apart and prevent it from returning, but this weakness was dropped later in her history. A later comic claims that, while Raven can split her physical body and soul into two, if Raven remains separated from her soul for too long, her body will implode and take out everything in many miles, but Raven later goes several weeks without her Soul-Self with no notable side effects, indicating she lost this weakness as well. In general, this doesn’t come up in modern comics.
Many have also broken out of or otherwise restrained her Soul-Self in some way. The following lists notable instances of her Soul-Self failing, alongside any other weaknesses it may have.
Physically restrained by a protoplasmic cell, which causes Raven’s body to keel over
Brother Blood steps right through her Soul-Self, causing Raven immense pain. This is explained later as being a result of Brother Blood’s ability to drain emotions like Raven
While enveloping a soldier, is taken out by a beam of “plasmic light” and crumples. Raven can sense her Soul-Self is in danger and must reunite with it
Vicky escapes from the Soul-Self by becoming intangible light-energy
Raven and her adult self clash Soul-Selves, knocking both out
Kestrel takes Raven’s Soul-Self from her body and to his lair in the Chaos Realm. She can feel him ripping it apart, and she’s weakened as a result, as Kestrel tortures and restrains the Soul-Self (note that Cyborg can physically grab the collar restraining the Soul-Self)
Raven’s Soul-Self has no effect on the soulless bodies summoned by Brother Blood
Traps Black Adam in her soul-self, but he tears his way through
Raven’s physical body begins disintegrating, giving her soul only seconds to act.
Easily repelled by the Phantom Stranger. Raven later unleashes her Soul-Self, which the Phantom Stranger just forces back into her
[Dark Raven] The souls of Azarath are released from Phantasm, enveloping Raven’s Soul-Self and threatening to “tear her apart”
Flight
Raven is named after a bird, so it would be kinda embarrassing if she couldn’t fly. At first, Raven could only fly by taking the form of her bodiless soul. After her soul was bound to a new, younger body, Raven can just fly naturally, though this change is never explicitly addressed. She’s described flight as a form of magic, and one of her baser abilities that she can use even without her Soul-Self.
Transforms into a bird-shape to fly to Titans Tower. She describes this state as a “bodiless soul”, allowing her to phase through walls
Flies well into the upper atmosphere (though note that Nightwing can still breathe)
[Dark Raven] Levitates through the air
[Golden Raven] Flies as a bird from the moon to Earth
[Golden Raven] Raven’s Soul-Self quickly flies into orbit and to the moon while carrying the Titans
[Trigon] Capable of hovering, and can fly between dimensions
[Phantasm] Flies high above the earth and into orbit
Magic
At her core, Raven is one of DC’s many magic characters, and has numerous spells at her disposal. She draws from the same overall source of magic as other DC characters like Zatanna, and has used her belief to empower the magic of Wonder Woman.
Energy Projection
Her primary offensive option. Raven can fire large blasts of energy as beams, or can project shockwaves out of her body to blow people away, usually when she’s under high emotional stress. Without her Soul-Self, Raven’s energy projection is greatly weakened.
Hits Muse with "the power of some long-lost dimension" from her cape, igniting him
An influx of pain causes her to generate a shockwave which knocks back Jericho
Fires an energy blast which knocks her own portrait off the wall
Chants an incantation to fire a big energy beam which knocks a dude back
Repels a Shadow Rider with a magic blast (note that the Shadow Riders are incorporeal)
Can still fire energy blasts without her Soul-Self. She does this multiple times
Raven blasts her dark counterpart with energy, ultimately defeating her and all the dark Titans with a large shockwave
Fires energy blasts from her hand which repel a transformed attack dog
Blasts through a solid wall and begins spamming blasts against robots
[Dark Raven] Fires a beam of energy at Arella
[Dark Raven] Blows Cyborg and Beast Boy away with a shockwave
[Dark Raven] Blasts and one shots Danny Chase, burning him up
[Trigon] Trigon kills Power Boy and nukes Cyborg with a laser from above
[Arella] Arella and Danny join hands and use the power of Azar’s teachings to blast Raven and destroy her body. Azarath begins shaking apart from the power of the blast, which creates a dimensional vortex. Even as the Titans escape back to Earth, the mystical energy still chases them, and causes an implosion which completely sucks in and destroys a building, tunnel, and bridge
As a subset of her energy projection, Raven can produce fancy-looking lightning-shaped blasts. She most commonly uses these when she’s been corrupted into Dark Raven.
After being empowered by Brother Blood, takes him down with a lightning-shaped blast
Blasts Beast Boy with some intense lightning, which subdues him and turns him back to normal
[Dark Raven] Fires a blast of lightning at Lilith
[Dark Raven] Takes out Beast Boy with a lightning blast
[Dark Raven] Takes out Danny Chase with a blast
[Dark Raven] Shocks and slays Phantasm and the souls of Azarath within
[Dark Raven] Shocks Greed with an electrical blast, before shocking all of her brothers at once, knocking them all out
[Dark Raven] Lenore, who’s the dark half of Raven soul split off and given form, casts dark lightning from her blades which KOs both Kyle Rayner and Steel, and can throw blasts of lightning
[Phantasm] Phantasm produces blasts of lightning and fire, one of which destroys a car
Forcefields
Raven can create shields to protect herself and others. These can encompass just a small space in front of her, or can grow large enough to cover entire buildings. She can also protect others from psionic attacks with her shields, such as mind control.
Creates a forcefield to shield the Titans from falling debris
Raven sets up a displacement energy shield around her and the Titans to alter the residual direction of a Solar Flare from Superboy, though it doesn’t hold
Shields from an attack from a Shadow Rider with a magic defense
Shields against multiple blasts from Lenore. Raven barely manages to hold her shield against the blast, so Miss Martian reinforces it with her beams, though Lenore breaks through
Shields the Titans from a massive lightning strike that destroys part of their Titans Tower
Shields from a blast from someone who seems to have Firestorm’s powers. She mentions how the fear in the hearts of the people is overwhelming, and is unable to hold the shield for long against the power
Creates a shield around her and the Titans to protect them from a psionic attack, but it’s so monstrously strong that she thinks she can’t hold it for long. She manages to sustain it long enough to shield the Titans from the HIVE Queen’s control. Raven says that if the Titans separate, she’ll be unable to shield all of them, and that the further they get the quicker they succumb (note that they’re protected even after the shield is visibly dropped). This greatly tires her out though, to the point where later she can barely stand, and the HIVE Queen can feel Raven’s defenses crumbling, doing one last push to control her
[Dark Raven] Creates a force-field, blocking Danny Chase’s telekinetic attacks
[Arella] Creates a mystic shield to defend against an attack from Trigon
Summoning
Through her magic and other-dimensional connections, Raven can summon creatures to aid in her combat, even her own friends.
While strengthened by Azarath’s mystic energies, summons the Titans from across dimensions
Raven/Brother Blood’s magic causes actual ravens to starts spawning, and summons a skeletal replica of Trigon
[Trigon] Seems to summon the Justice League, including the likes of Zatanna, to battle the Titans
[Trigon] Summons demons to attack the Titans in multiple locations
[Trigon] Summons an army of demons
[Trigon] Drags a woman from a different universe to his realm from across a portal
Scrying
With her magic, Raven can observe others from long distances, even entirely different dimensions.
Communicates with an image of her father on Earth. She later suggests she is unable to contact her father unless she’s on Earth
Raven spies on Superboy from elsewhere through a portal thing
While it’s removed from her body, Raven suddenly sees her Soul-Self, hurt and trapped in Unearth in chains
[Dark Raven] Raven observes the Titans through some kind of portal
[Trigon] Spies on Raven from his realm
Miscellaneous
Raven learns Brother Blood’s flesh ritual over the course of months, and uses it to resurrect Jericho from his soul. Note that Raven could only bring Jericho back because his soul never left the Earth’s plane of existence, and that when she brought him back, his throat was healed
Raven performs a ritual to project to and visit her father, entering the hell he rules over. Note that this plane is described as “the physical extension of his metaphysical being”. On Earth, flames begin spawning around the meditating Raven as Trigon attacks her. Wally and Beast Boy try touching her, but are blown back with force proportional to how hard they charge, knocking Beast Boy out of the tower. Roy knocks her out of the ritual with a bomb arrow, but Raven says they could have just thrown cold water on her to wake her up
Extends an energy net out of her hands in order to catch a bunch of falling civilians
Blasts a dude with a beam of energy which seals him in a sphere of dark energy stuff, which she raises into the air
Magically marks Wally’s hand with an Azarathean symbol for hope and patience (it disappears later, so it’s not permanent)
Through some vague magic stuff, frees the Titans from their predicaments
Raven manages to tether the Riders of the Apocalypse to herself, ensnaring them as an Unkindness within herself. Shazam takes her to the Rock of Eternity and seals her and the Riders with his soul. Later as Shazam says his name, the Unkindness is freed, and now has the power of Shazam, where it goes on to destroy all of creation in the future
Teleportation
Raven can teleport herself and others across long distances. More precisely, she describes it not as teleporting, but in-reality shifting between dimensions, temporarily moving to a different dimension and returning to Earth in a new position. As such, Raven can travel not only between points on Earth in an instant, but to other dimensions entirely. While in her earlier years, Raven claimed she couldn’t teleport across countries, since then Raven has teleported across the entire planet without difficulty. She frequently applies this in combat, teleporting enemies across the globe with just a touch to instantly remove them from the fight. Her teleportation is sometimes suggested to be tied to her Soul-Self in some way.
Raven’s teleporting is typically shown producing “ebon smoke”, which she can use to hide. The smoke is clearly visible, and isn’t just an art thing.
There’s a lot of instances of Raven teleporting to a place that visually looks like the Nexus of All Dimensions, but in any cases where it’s unclear, I’ve simply marked it as Azarath instead, since the Nexus as a location is very nebulous and rarely referenced.
Teleports from the Justice League satellite to somewhere on Earth
States she does not teleport, but rather “moves between dimensions”
Shifts between dimensions to a location faster than an early Wally West can get there
A bit unclear, but it seems as if her Soul-Self teleports to retrieve her body
Uses “dimension traveling powers” to teleport past a locked building
Stated that by “merging into the waves of intradimensional travel”, Raven can travel to anywhere on Earth in an instant, as far as China (though note she was being corrupted by Trigon here, which may be enhancing her powers)
Teleports out of a building, taking Nightwing with her, even as far as Brooklyn
Teleports Obsidian out of a shuttle even as he's half materialized in it
Donna mentions Raven has the power to teleport all the Titans
Teleports into space, though she says she’s unsure if she can do it beforehand. She also states she can move between dimensions
Says that she may not be strong enough to teleport 7 people at once, but does so regardless. The pain of the others leaves her in agony while she "tumbles through dimension after dimension". Her weakness later fades
Senses Cyborg is in danger and teleports away at "the speed of thought"
Teleports herself and Beast Boy to the Crossroads, the doorway to the afterlife. She later teleports herself, Beast Boy, and Kid Eternity back to Earth
Raven teleports to Azarath to escape from the emotions and pain around her. She does this again later
Raven doesn’t have the power to fight Laura on Earth, so she takes her to Azarath,
Teleports Cyborg and herself “half-way across the world” to Ron’s squadmates, landing in the Middle-East
Forcibly takes Supergirl with her as she teleports back to Earth
Teleports the Titans back home from Trigon’s dimension. It’s described as the air getting hot and the ground giving way as she teleports
Teleports two helicopters into each other’s path so they crash, though she notes she’s tired afterwards
Raven can teleport out of the Wyld’s dimension, but only by herself. Static manipulates the trail of her teleportation to take the other Titans with her (note that her powers weren’t entirely working properly at the time)
In an instant, teleports from Earth to a spaceship holding Starfire far above the planet
Remotely teleports the Titans into a building, doing so while they’re far away from her
Teleports Tim Drake and herself to Manchester Black, from Chicago to New York, but it’s noted that it's tough for her. Manchester notes that Raven is too weak due to teleporting Robin here in the first place
Raven wakes up after being knocked out and manages to teleport the Titans away
Rapidly teleports all of King Shark’s men away to a desert without moving there herself
Threatens to teleport Damian to some slime planet in another dimension
Banishes away the Psions to a place she thinks is best left unknown
Threatens to banish Winters to another dimension where he can fight it out with Trigon
When Black Alice uses Raven’s teleportation powers, her physical substance is already on a different plane, leaving behind only a residual image
Uses her Soul-Self to warp past a wall and then teleports away
Tim Drake thinks Raven could teleport him to the middle of the ocean if he lets her
Teleports away injured civilians, and later a bomb and the Titans themselves
Teleports Hawk and Dove into each other so they can fight it out
Seemingly delays reappearing from a teleport to wait for the right time
Literally teleports behind Breuer and removes the Mento helmet as a surprise attack
[Dark Raven] Teleports to Lilith’s location
[Dark Raven] Teleports to Scourge’s location
[Dark Raven] Teleports away with Deathwing
[Golden Raven] Takes Donna Troy with her to the gates of Heaven, though she says she only has enough strength to take one being with her currently. She later teleports her back from Heaven to Earth, before teleporting away on a journey of self-discovery
[Trigon] Flies from Earth to Azarath
[Trigon] Trigon teleports away, freeing the Titans from his control
[Arella] Banishes Raven from Azarath to Earth
[Phantasm] Teleports the Titans away, before teleporting away itself
[Phantasm] Phantasm teleports out into space
[Phantasm] Phantasm takes Supergirl to Azarath, where their powers are strongest
Portals
Functioning similar to her teleportation, Raven can create portals through space with a wave of her hand.
Raven creates a portal to take all the Titans through from the demon realm to Earth
Sends Robin to Beast Boy’s location through a portal in her cloak
[Dark Raven] Lenore, who’s the dark half of Raven’s soul given form, creates a portal
[Trigon] Summons the power to break down the dimensional barriers between his dimension and Earth
[Trigon] Opens a portal to shift Earth, and soon the entire universe, into his home dimension to restore it
[Trigon] Trigon plans to use Raven and his other children to open a portal to Earth from his dimension. Raven is the spark to open the portal, while the Trigon Seed inside Beast Boy is the key, weakening the barrier between the two worlds as Trigon’s sons create the portal
[Siblings] Dark Raven and her brothers create a portal to Trigon’s dimension and walk away
Limitations
Raven’s teleportation is described multiple times as one of her most draining abilities, with several instances of her appearing very worn out after having to teleport multiple times in a short timeframe. She also can’t teleport too many people all at once.
Raven tries teleporting the Titans from the tower to Keystone in Kansas, but Dark Raven shorts her Soul-Self with her own, disrupting it and sending Robin flying outwards as Raven arrives in Keystone. Raven needs time to recover after this
After being drained of her energy, Raven manages to teleport herself and Beast Boy away, but has too little strength to make a larger jump
After teleporting all night, Raven’s enemies suggest that she must be tired
Can’t teleport everyone off a bus in-time because there are too many people
Tries to steady her conscience to teleport away from a painting of Trigon, but is subdued and knocked out before she can do so
Nightwing claims Starfire can get to Lady Vic’s house faster than Raven can teleport them there
In a dubiously canon comic, Raven says that even she can’t open a portal to a destination an interstellar distance away
Illusions
Raven can create extremely detailed illusions, which seem to be able to fool all five senses. She often supplements them with her emotion manipulating powers in order to intensify the feelings she wishes to cause.
Projects an illusion to the dying Grant, showing him an image of the Titans dead (note that a way later comic claims that the illusion Raven made created a variable in time, which allowed this battle to be altered through time travel)
Makes the Titans seen an illusion of the Justice League disintegrating
Digs into Mento’s mind and shows him an illusion of his wife hurting, which takes him out
Appears to cast an illusion on Phobia, who quickly breaks out
Raven reveals that the bodies and blood of the Titans that Jericho saw and smelled were illusions she created to fool him. This illusion was so realistic it even showed up on national television
Casts an illusion on some onlookers, making them feel as if their worst fear has come to life
Horrifies Time Commander with an illusion/mental image of her family
Casts (and later undos) an illusion to make people see Violet as if she has a face
Raven creates a highly complex illusion that makes everybody see the now fused Cyborg and Beast Boy as separate beings, including the two themselves even as they’re still mentally connected, allowing them to heal overtime. It requires concentration, but she offers to keep it up for as long as it takes for STAR Labs to fix them for real. Roy Harper comments on how real the illusion feels
[Dark Raven] Raven traps all the Titans in illusions inside their minds reflecting their worst nightmares, with dark copies of themselves, "fighting for their very souls" even as their bodies are petrified and turned into living flesh in reality. Lilith claims their souls now belong to Trigon, and Raven says that the nightmares will destroy the independent souls of the Titans, turning them into servants of Trigon
[Siblings] Belial is capable of easily illusion casting, appearing as a human to other humans
Telekinesis
It’s used less frequently than you might think, but Raven has telekinesis, which she can apply offensively. Her powers are potent enough to lift entire buildings.
Raven telekinetically carries herself and some children through a fire and a wall
Telekinetically lifts Red Hood alongside her as she flies, and tears off the door of a plane
Lifts up parts of two buildings and slams them into Superboy
Seems to telekinetically wrap the lasso of truth around a possessed Wonder Woman
Telekinetically restrains and chokes the life out of the Disruptor
[Dark Raven] Restrains Nightwing
[Dark Raven] Bends a car and some wires to restrain Mirage
[Dark Raven] Raven hovers and restrains all 7 other Titans in the air, including the likes of Wally West and Donna Troy
[Trigon] Launches Titans Tower
[Trigon] Trigon slams Belial back
[Trigon + Souls of Azarath] Grabs the Titans
[Phantasm] From a city block away, pulls in the Titans
[Phantasm] Uses their telekinesis to grab Pantha as she falls
Precognition
Raven possesses a precognitive ability, typically manifesting in the form of premonitions. As you’d expect, this means she can see future events, from something as close as an upcoming battle in the same issue to as far as an outright apocalypse. That said, Raven cannot control these visions, they come to her randomly, and they’ve only happened sparingly throughout her history, so they’re not something she can entirely rely on.
Projects a premonition of a future battle into Dick’s dreams, multiple times
Has a premonition in the form of a nightmare, which happens a few times (though it’s unclear if this is entirely Raven’s doing)
Has looked into the future, and sees the identity of an unknown killer
Raven sees something is up with the trainee Titans with her powers, and has to check on them. She has a premonition, and thinks something bad is coming. She had a feeling about an attack on the tower, but the actual premonition she’s been having is about the Unkindness. Raven has these visions of an apocalyptic future repeatedly. These visions are only possibilities, but have a chance of happening
Again sees an apocalypse in the future. Raven’s vision of the future is just one possible future, and can be changed, with Shazam managing to avert it
Even if some parts of Raven’s premonitions are averted, others can come true
Chronokinesis
While Raven is much more a magician than a time manipulator, due to being raised in a limbo post-Flashpoint, she is specially attuned to the time-stream, and is capable of manipulating its energies for a limited form of time travel. She’s also shown the power to stop time completely, whether for select people or doing so more broadly.
Time Stopping
Traps the Justice League, including the likes of Zatanna and Hal Jordan, in “time stasis”
[Siblings] Belial stops time with a gesture
Time Travel
Raven is able to weave the Titans together across timelines with strands of her Soul-Self, though her success is tenuous and the Titans wind up 20 years into the future. She stretches the limits of her powers trying to navigate the time stream with her Soul-Self (note that she and Cassie may have a stronger link due to Cassie’s Silent Armor’s link to Trigon)
Raven grounds the Titans in different parts of the time-stream by stabbing their souls
Raven uses her “chronokinesis”, combined with Starfire’s energy, to stabilize the field of a time vortex and allow the Titans to time travel. The Temporal Field later begins collapsing. If she loses control, her Soul-Self risks being lost in the Speedforce. Damian calms her down and successfully manages to pull both Wallys back to Earth, with Damian later stating this stunt threatened the multiverse
[Trigon] With Trigon’s power, Psimon threatens to banish Doctor Light to the past
Matter Manipulation
While she usually merely threatens to do so, Raven seems capable of altering matter on an atomic scale, transmuting objects entirely. This is most pronounced as Dark Raven, where both her and her father have been shown to transmute things into stone on a massive scale.
Raven/Brother Blood turns the water around a city into blood
Raven, at some unspecified period in time, travelled through a lush alternate dimension, the physics of this universe amplifying her powers while her aggression was at its max. Passing through it with extradimensional energy led to her inadvertently creating the Wyld, fusing many different animals together into one being under her dark self
Klarion seems to suggest that Raven could turn an antenna into butterflies or orchids
Against a robot, she claims that if she had her Soul-Self, she could ”vaporize it” or “transmute it into inert molecules”
Threatens to remove the bonds holding Neron’s atoms together
[Dark Raven] Grows her Soul-Self to turn the entire Titans Tower to stone (confirmed in the next issue)
[Trigon] Trigon’s presence produces a circle of decay which spreads out from across the city, trapping people and turning everything to stone. This soon spreads across the entire planet, affecting even Superman and the Justice League, turning souls themselves into structures of “living souls” and “living flesh” (though note this drained some of Trigon’s power)
Smoke Manipulation
As stated above, Raven’s teleporting usually produces smoke as a byproduct, but Raven can create smoke at will as well, in both small and large quantities.
Creates a small smokescreen around her eyes to prevent herself from seeing illusions
[Dark Raven] Produces snake-like black smoke, which knocks out Thunder and Lightning. She uses what appears to be this same smoke to restrain Rafael and Francis Kane
Cold Manipulation
Raven can produce a chill to lower the temperatures of others.
Uses her Soul-Self to literally cool Bombshell off and make her cold
[Dark Raven] Raven’s presence creates a chill
Sealing
Raven can seal away others and close holes in reality.
After absorbing the souls of her sisters, uses the last of their power to seal away Trigon in his home dimension, the souls of her sisters standing guard against him for the rest of eternity
[Arella] Arella follows Trigon into the Netherverse to block his path and seal him away in a dimension beyond time and space, though he eventually breaks free
Empowerment
While more commonly done as her dark self, Raven has shown the ability to empower others and lend them her strength for periods of time.
Empowers Starfire to free her from her restraints and guide her to Earth
Takes Skye’s pains into herself in order to strengthen her, with Raven’s own strength empowering her
[Dark Raven] Empowers the Wildebeests outside the Soul-Self to crush the Titans
[Dark Raven] Beast Boy is made a slave by Raven, and she grants him new powers, like the ability to consume souls
[Dark Raven] It’s implied the Trigon Seed implanted into her by Raven makes Supergirl notably stronger
[Dark Raven] Raven expends energy empowering her minions, and needs to replenish her power by placing people into the Soul-Wall
[Dark Raven] Raven attempts to share the power of sin with the Titans. Beast Boy’s ability to transform allows him to be used as a vessel to transform the others, though he won’t survive the process. She begins the transformation, but is stopped
[Trigon] Empowered Psimon, granting him his psychic abilities
Phasing
The corporeality of Raven’s Soul-Self somewhat varies, but Raven has displayed the power to phase her body through attacks without it.
Raven’s good self, which acts like a soul, phases through an energy blast from her evil self
Raven phases through a punch from Jon, saying he can’t hurt what he can’t touch. Jon breaks and chucks part of a mountain at Raven, but she again phases through it. As the daughter of Trigon, she says Jon can’t hurt her
Sin Powers
Raven represents the sin of Pride, the original sin from which all others spawn, meaning Raven can utilize the powers of the Seven Deadly Sins, and can inflict others with these sins to manipulate them. She doesn’t do this commonly though, as any use of these powers leaves her sick and vomiting for a lengthy period of time.
It’s not made entirely clear in the comics themselves, but given Raven can utilize the power of the sin of Greed, which originates from Pride, and as Dark Raven she nearly granted the power of the Seven Deadly Sins to the other Titans, it’s possible Raven can use the powers of all Seven Deadly Sins in the same manner as her brothers if she wishes. The following are how these powers have been used by Raven’s siblings.
Envy can see what Donna envies most, and turns into a copy of Wonder Woman, suggested to be just as strong as the actual Wonder Woman
Lust brainwashes Wally and Donna into being obsessively in love with him
Sloth uses his powers to immobilize and seemingly age up Nightwing and Roy Harper
Miscellaneous
As a demon halfling, Raven’s anatomy is noted as being unusual
As a half demon, Raven is an “interstitial lifeform”, and dimensional barriers have different applications for her. The scientists hypothesize that she may exist across such boundaries, and that she may be one with her alternate timeline self
The Batman Who Laughs wants to extract Raven’s darkness and use its energy
[Dark Raven] Creates a weird hell cave, which she needs energy to expand. It’s located under a house
[Phantasm] Creates a vortex to warp out some fire
[Phantasm] Manifests out of the body of a groundskeeper
[Phantasm] Phantasm enters Raven’s soul, and casts some sort of verbal spell to free Kyle from within it
[Trigon] Manifests a trident
[Trigon] Impregnates a woman, and rebirths himself through her
[Trigon] In a possible future, Zauriel is killed, and is then resurrected by Trigon himself as a corrupted servant
Hax Resistances & Vulnerabilities
Mind Manipulation
Positive Showings:
Links her mind with Nightwing as he is asleep in order to blunt the Gargoyle's mental assaults
Joins hands with Supergirl and breaks through an illusion of Trigon
An alien energy sphere isn’t powerful enough to fight Raven yet and consume her emotions, as she’s in control of them. The sphere will grow to consume the entire planet, and has already consumed the minds and souls of over 27,000 people
While empowered by others, resists the sphere trying to wipe her memories
[Dark Raven] The Trigon seed Raven implanted in Beast Boy resists Starfire’s cleansing
Negative Showings:
Affected by a poison which begins transforming her and causes her to go berserk, serving Scourge (who’s tied to Circe’s beastmorphism magic)
Crius invades her mind and makes her the feel emotions of every person on the planet, knocking her out
Psimon accesses Raven’s mind, who’s overwhelmed by the chaos around her
Martian Manhunter looks into Raven’s mind without her noticing
Given a nightmare by an assassin, and is plagued by nightmares from Laura
Affected by the sin of Wrath, which makes her quick to anger
Miss Martian contacts Raven’s mind while she sleeps, waking her and warning her
Miss Martian accidentally KOs Raven with a psychic blast, though Raven was weakened at the time
Hit by a psychic scan, causing her to start throwing up. Raven is hit by another scan, and senses the girl it is coming from
Overwhelmed by the Ghost of Christmas Past and becomes trapped in despair before Starfire frees her
[Dark Raven] Lilith can sense Raven’s presence
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
Raven’s mental struggles against Trigon of course form the crux of her character. While she has succumbed to him many times, the Priests of Azarath taught Raven what she needed to resist Trigon’s thrall, and she’s said she’s learned to resist him. Arella has said Raven is susceptible to Trigon and Brother Blood only because she lets herself be, and even when she’s been fully corrupted by Trigon, it’s been shown multiple times that a good part of her soul still exists and can still take action by itself
Gets brainwashed by Brother Blood. She briefly manages to resist it later, before fully freeing herself when Blood grants her additional power
Without her chakra, Brother Blood controls her, but his control of her fades with distance, and she feeds on Beast Boy’s self-consciousness to break free. She manages to partly resist Blood’s control before fully breaking free when her chakra is returned to her
Saturn Girl communicates telepathically with Raven without her being aware, but it’s mentioned Raven was resisting and only stopped because Saturn Girl was an ally
Affected by, but survives, the mental trickery and illusions of Duela
Davis assaults her with the Medusa Mask. She suffers a continuous stream of changing emotions which she cannot resist, and senses that if she lets these emotions become a part of her, they will destroy her, but she survives long enough for Davis to be taken out. Note that the Medusa Mask can drive a room full of normal doctors to madness and death
Endures a mental assault from Laura and the Medusa Mask. Laura uses the Medusa Mask to mind control Raven’s friends from afar as Raven endures
Resists Laura’s mental probing, but when Laura’s mind connected to Raven, her thoughts leaked into Raven’s mind
Placed in a dream world by Doctor Destiny, where she appears trapped in stone, before Batman shatters her statue and she breaks free of an additional dream
Creates a shield around her and the Titans to protect them from a psionic attack on a scale that rivals the power of Trigon by the HIVE Queen. While it clearly heavily drains her, and she does eventually give in, she manages to protect herself and the rest of the Titans against it for the entire issue. After being controlled, Tim Drake sets a “four-dimensional logic puzzle” in his head, that was super-charged by the chaos energies fuelling Raven’s magic, which knocks out the HIVE Queen and breaks her whole hivemind
An alien energy sphere wipes her memories, but a mention of the sphere later jogs her memories and reminds her of what happened. Later, Raven has her memory wiped by the sphere, but immediately starts remembering and recovers it in moments. This repeats a few times, her memories getting wiped each time she’s hit only for her to remember seconds later. After being empowered, she breaks through the sphere and destroys it
Soul Manipulation / Possession
Note that any of her Soul-Self’s feats of resilience would apply as a showing of hax resistance, due to being, yknow, her soul, alongside any other notable stuff listed above.
Positive Showings:
Survives an alternate dimension which attempts to rip apart her soul
Raven blocks Jericho's attempt to possess her, who is knocked unconscious by her soul
Raven's Soul-Self resisted Eric absorbing her soul even without Raven being aware
Azar’s soul makes Arella immune to the effects of Jericho’s Soul-Self. The same should apply to Raven should she ever channel Azar’s power
Jericho tries possessing her, only to be dragged into her Soul-Self
[Dark Raven] Blocks Jericho's possession, sending him into shock
Negative Showings:
When Trigon possesses her, he wrenches the soul from her body and replaces it with his power
Jericho enters Raven's body as she teleports (though she lets him do so)
When Raven’s flesh died, a Trigon seed corrupted her Soul-Self, with no physical mind to control it
Kestrel takes Raven’s Soul-Self from her body and to his lair in the Chaos Realm, torturing and restraining it
Jericho possesses Raven (this time Raven doesn’t want to let him do so to be clear)
Takes a hit from Taylor which she describes as “grabbing into her soul”
Her soul is pushed out of an alien energy sphere by the hundreds of souls inside
Violet merges her soul with Raven’s soulless body, Violet’s soul supplanting it. When Trigon impales Raven, it is Violet whose spark is douses, not Raven (though Violet does barely live)
Prince Travesty uses his magic to swap places with Raven, trapping her Soul-Self in Unearth
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
Trigon corrupts her Soul-Self with a beam, instilling her with “all [his] essence”. Raven has both succumbed to and resisted Trigon’s attempts to possess her through this
The Wyld wants to consume Raven’s Soul-Self, but it needs a full eclipse to grow strong enough to consume her
Nightwing says Raven was corrupted, body and soul, by Brother Blood before freeing herself (arguably metaphorical)
Raven is too powerful for an alien energy sphere to absorb her soul, and can fight back. The sphere absorbs souls across all of San Francisco to grow in power until it can destroy her. Later, she’s unable to resist the pull of the energy sphere, but the sphere still blocks her from entering it. She eventually gets weak enough for the sphere to absorb, but her soul and mind are still under her control unlike all the other victims, and she manages to break free of the sphere
Her soul is divided into its constituent parts, the noble and good half and the demonic half, but the good half later re-merges with both her dark half and the physical Raven, becoming whole again
Suge, one of Raven’s siblings, senses Deadman poking around inside his head, and seems to block it
Matter Manipulation
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
Biological Manipulation
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
Power Nullification / Removal
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
Affected by a mind dampener which prevents her from teleporting
Brother Blood drains her power and places her in a power-nullifying grid
Raven is unable to heal Superboy due to magic across the DC universe being broken down by the Spectre during Infinite Crisis. The influx of wild magic plays havoc with Raven’s powers, leaving her unable to control them
Extradimensional chemical compounds in her wounds are suggested to be compromising her empathic power centre, “partially consuming” it. The Wyld later says it has weakened her
Her powers are altered by the properties of a different dimension
At some unknown point off-screen, Black Alice took Raven's powers
Raven is hit with a blast from a “Heisenberg Cannon”, which seems to nullify her powers and leave her collapsing. Power Girl describes the counters to magic users as “quantum scramblers” earlier in the issue. She’s hit again by the Heisenberg Cannon later, leaving her collapsed. The Heisenberg Cannon is a highly unstable probability splitter
Placed under power inhibitors by Damian, though she can still sense the presence of others. The power inhibitors prevent Raven from teleporting
The Brainiac suit dampens Raven’s connection to her magic, and can’t be taken off without a code
Black Alice steals Raven’s teleportation powers. Her teleportation powers quickly return to her, with her later commenting on it, but this seems to be more a function of Black Alice’s powers than a resistance on Raven’s end. Black Alice later steals Raven’s powers again
Raven is flung by the Darkest Knight and has her powers removed
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
Dr Midnite tries extracting an extradimensional evil from Raven’s body, causing her to begin freaking out and resisting before she’s sedated. This is considered normal for an empath of her power
Headcase tries absorbing Raven’s evil essence, but she knocks him out while he tries
Affected by a power nulling helmet. Raven can’t recall her Soul-Self due to her powers being neutralized, but she eventually manages to break free and recover
Energy Absorption
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
Existence Erasure
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
BFR
Positive Showings:
Negative Showings:
Intense Light
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
Suffocation
Positive Showings:
None notable
Negative Showings:
Sealing
Positive Showings:
Raven teleports Skye away from magic chains and frees her, which implies she could do the same to herself
Negative Showings:
The good half of Raven’s soul is sealed by some magic chains
Billy Batson’s soul seals the Unkindness in the Rock of Eternity, only being freed when ‘Shazam’ is said
Neutral Showings (Both Positive and Negative):
[Trigon] Trigon is banished to the Netherverse, with Arella following him in to block his path and seal him away, but he eventually manages to break free after siphoning 100 billion souls from his home dimension
Time Manipulation
Positive Showings:
Due to her mystical connections, is unaffected by an arcane device which alters the perception of time and slows it down so much it seemingly stops
Negative Showings:
Feats
Overall
Assembled the New Teen Titans
Founded the Titans Academy
Repelled Trigon’s invasion of Earth multiple times
As Dark Raven, successfully helped take over the world
Aided Trigon in his conquest of the Underrealms
Defeated her own dark counterpart
Defeated Donna Troy, Mongul, Neron
Banished Brother Blood to hell
Tethered the Riders of the Apocalypse to herself
As the Unkindness, destroyed all of creation
Strength
Base
Raven's powers could "destroy a universe if left uncontrolled, and more"
Her possessed Soul-Self fights of all the Titans, including Donna Troy
A berserk Raven battles the Titans, notably harming Donna Troy and Starfire
Begins projecting her Soul Self and shakes the entire Titans Tower
Claims that due to Trigon, the forces contained with her are enough to destroy a universe
Sends Kid Devil flying back with her Soul-Self, breaking the ground
Unleashes a shockwave from her Soul-Self which sends Supergirl flying
Draws blood from Envy with an uppercut, and tackles him through a stone floor, kicking him into a stone pillar
The Wyld is not as strong as Raven, and will only become strong enough to consume her upon the next eclipse. For reference, while not at full power, the Wyld could fight off all the Titans, and it only needed three-quarters of an eclipse to match Miss Martian in a mental battle
Raven knocks out Headcase and negates the black hole he created
An alien energy sphere says it will use Raven’s power to destroy worlds
Deflects an attack from the energy sphere with her Soul-Self, and, after being empowered, destroys it completely with one last attack
Damian says Raven might be” the strongest of them all” if she wasn’t so fragile
Blasts a berserk Beast Boy with some intense lightning, which subdues him
Fights off a Dark Multiverse Robin. She’s shown surviving this encounter and being imprisoned in New Apokolips
Raven harms her dark, Trigon-empowered counterpart, ultimately defeating her dark self and all the dark Titans with a blast of energy
Telekinetically lifts up parts of two buildings and slams them into Superboy
Dark Raven
Releases a shockwave which incapacitates several soldiers and knocks out Aqualad
Cyborg claims that Dark Raven is strong enough to take on the entire team
With Azar’s power, Arella’s Soul-Self fights the possessed Raven, who responds by summoning and absorbing the Azarathean souls in order to gain more power. The Soul-Self “thirst for souls and feed on life”, and threatens to possess everything that exists as they grow in power, eventually becoming the new universe. The Soul-Self blasts Azar’s soul, shattering it
Raven fights Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy, restraining Kyle with her Soul-Self
Soul-Self destroys the Technis ship and the Technis themselves in a huge explosion
Telekinetically restrains all 7 other Titans in the air, including Wally West and Donna Troy, and later shocks them
Casts dark lightning from her blades which KOs both Kyle Rayner and Steel
Golden Raven
When used by Starfire, her purified Soul-Self helps destroy Trigon’s soul/energy, when not even the combined souls of Azarath after just destroying his body could destroy Trigon’s energy
Trigon
Trigon has torn a universe asunder, and in a vision, crushes the Earth in his hands
Blows away the entire Justice League, including Wonder Woman and Zatanna. Earlier, the sorcerers who were trying to stop Trigon's invasion were strong enough to knock out this same Justice League
Almost shifts Earth and its entire dimension into his own universe
Lust calls Trigon the most powerful demonic entity the world has ever seen
In a possible timeline, Trigon defeated Superman, and killed every major hero, even Raven and Doctor Fate
Trigon tortures Booster Gold with his eye beams, and nearly kills him through his forcefield
Trigon vaporizes some humans with his eye beams, and has destroyed many worlds
With an army of his children, Trigon could rule a multiverse
Smashes Bizarro into a platform and harms him. Trigon notes Bizarro is his first worthy opponent in several millennia
The Presence appears and confronts Trigon, engaging in battle off-screen. The outcome of the battle is unknown, though in the same comic we later see the Presence is alive and discusses creating a new Council of Eternity. This comic is a Futures End story, and is supposed to be set in the future of the normal timeline as a possible scenario, but Trigon and the Presence existing outside of normal time makes that difficult to interpret
Other
Trigon’s minions and the people of Azar destroy Azarath with a blast
Raven, after absorbing the spirits of Azar and Azarath’s people, completely obliterates Trigon
Azarath begins shaking apart from the power of Arella’s blast, which creates a dimensional vortex and causes an implosion which completely sucks in and destroys a building, tunnel, and bridge
Etrigan, Trigon’s grandson, defeats an angel of heaven, and is the only demon with a chance against Karrien, the Archangel of War
Golgotha, who’s technically Trigon’s great-grandson, one shots a heaven sentry
The Spectre and Belial engage in battle, though the Spectre wins fairly quickly
Belial says that the mystic energy of the Phantom Stranger’s coins might be enough to make one of the Sons of Trigon surpass their father’s power (though he doesn’t fully understand the coins, and may be wrong)
The Phantom Stranger claims that Felix Faust and Necro’s thaumaturgic arsenal threatens to usurp the power of the Sons of Trigon. All three sons are later trapped by the pull of Faust’s magic
Belial almost destroys an entire casino with a wave of his hand
Belial plans to wipe out the earth’s most powerful magicians in one fell swoop, to let Trigon crush the planet in his hands. The Sons of Trigon battle the Justice League Dark evenly, including Zatanna and Swamp Thing
Merlin aided in constructing a spell that magnified Belial’s powers, allowing him to take over Hell and usurp even Lucifer. Merlin calls Belial “the most powerful being to ever sit on Hell’s throne”, and Belial plans to take over all creation. Lucifer considers that impossible, but Belial promptly shuts him up and turns him into literally a dog
The Unkindness commands the Seven Deadly Sins and the Lords of Chaos. It consumes “every plane of existence” to bring the end of all things. Its minions kill Superman Prime, and it has decimated the speedforce wall, New Genesis, and Skyland, ultimately destroying all of creation. Some debatable word of god from the comic’s author also claims she’s more powerful than Perpetua and Hecate, and that she absorbed the realms of Dream and Nightmare
Speed
Base
Dodges an attack from Trigon, with Trigon even commenting on her speed
Soul-Self travels a thousand miles in a minute, from New York to Blue Valley
Teleports to an area faster than Wally West can arrive at it
Dodges a bullet, teleporting and traversing dimensions before it can hit her
Soul-Self flies to the Justice League satellite from a great distance away
Senses Cyborg is in danger and teleports away at "the speed of thought"
Seems to teleport away before a bloodlusted Superboy’s heat vision can hit her
Raven unleashes her Soul-Self and traps Superboy before he can react
Claims she will count the nano-seconds until she sees Bret again (this is obviously not literal but whatever)
Soul-Self travels across the entire city and back in just a few seconds
Dodges a large telekinetic ball of debris by teleporting away
Soul-Self travels from her school to a distant house in the span of a conversation
As a soul, quickly flies from a lab to Wintersgate (which is in Georgetown, Maryland)
Dark Raven
Golden Raven
Other
Durability
Base
Endures eye beams from Trigon, which send her plummeting back to Earth from Azarath
Gets punched by Thunder, and notes she isn't used to physical violence (though this is early in her history)
Survives an explosion which completely destroys a small island
Soul-Self blocks a blaster shot which had just taken out Starfire
Soul-Self endures a constant blast from Sparta before shattering
Sparta's energy fills Raven a moment before her Soul-Self shatters, with some of her power remaining in Raven's soul without releasing. Sparta is more powerful than Raven, but Raven believes she can contain her power in her Soul-Self
Danny Chase telekinetically slams a person into Raven, knocking her out
Endures Roy’s bomb arrow. She claims its like an atomic bomb
Even while unconscious, endures a large building-busting explosion
Takes a hit from Taylor which leaves her bleeding, which she compares in power to Trigon
Is whacked around the room by one of the tendrils of the energy sphere. She later takes a hit from the sphere which knocks her out, and another which sends her flying
Survives a whip from the sphere which knocks her through a wall, before getting whipped again by the sphere. She proceeds to get hit multiple times in quick successions
Survives Jon Kent’s solar flare, which destroys part of Titans Tower
Manages to barely hold her shield against a blast from her dark self
Endures a hit and electrical torture from Mother Blood, described as “the full force of her magic”
Stamina-wise, she’s:
Dark Raven
Survives a large explosion caused by Phantasm which destroys a building
Raven easily absorbs Monsieur Moniard’s blades into her cloak, claiming she can’t be killed
Trigon
Effortlessly endures attacks from all the Titans, including reflecting Cyborg’s billion decibel sound cannon
Bizarro freezes and smashes off part of his arm, before ripping out his heart and killing him
Other
Arella creates a mystic shield to briefly defend against a blast from Trigon
The Rings of Azar protect the Titans from a large explosion and wave of fire
Trigon’s sons endure a telekinetic blast from Superboy. Raskoff is knocked out by a ton of Miguel’s bricks
Pandora cuts off the heads of Ruskoff and Suge, though this is just an inconvenience for them
An empowered Felix Faust defeats Belial , who is tossed away alongside his brothers
The Sons of Trigon take hits from Zatanna, Swamp Thing, and the rest of Justice League Dark
Etrigan slays Ruskoff. Suge nearly kills Etrigan, before being slain by a blast from Merlin
The Unkindness, according to the author of the comic, is unhurt by Black Adam’s lightning, which disrupts “the fundamental fabric of the omniverse”
Scaling
Note that, as Raven has overpowered and defeated her dark self in combat, and has matched her demonic half multiple times, any feats or scaling linked to Dark Raven should also apply to Raven as she is normally
Donna Troy: Raven has matched and overpowered Donna Troy multiple times, both normally and as Dark Raven.
Neron: Raven blocked a blast from an angry Neron, claimed she was far more powerful than he could ever hope to be, and threatened to atomise him, with Neron being intimidated and immediately surrendering
Neron controls Hell and dictates its reality’s rules, Hell being Heaven’s symmetrical opposite
Claimed to be host to Lucifer and Blaze, and suggests he’s taken hits from the Morningstar (note that this is a post-Rebirth comic)
The Spectre: Trigon’s power has been directly compared to the Spectre by the Monitor. Raven herself has also overpowered Neron before, who has overwhelmed Jim Corrigan’s Spectre and separated him from his host. The sons of Trigon were also capable of playing poker in an omni-dimensional room that even the Phantom Stranger found difficult to navigate, the Phantom Stranger having matched the Spectre in combat, and Trigon's dark magic has interfered with the Phantom Stranger's powers
Merlin: It’s a little roundabout, but Merlin derived part of his power from Belial, his father and Raven’s brother, and Belial has controlled a spell which utilizes Merlin’s magic. Merlin himself has said his demon’s blood is his strength. Raven has ripped out Belial’s heart with ease, and Trigon considers her the most valuable of his children, which could also arguably extend to Merlin as additional support
In a possible future, destroys the Tower of Fate and drains the magic of Doctor Fate and Zatanna
Dreamed Tim Hunter into existence. Merlin is stated to be the only being who can observe Tim Hunter, when this same issue shows the rebellion of Lucifer Morningstar, take that how you will
Has battled Mordru, and Mordru has implied Merlin is above him
For reference, Mordru is a lord of Chaos who has:
Easily silenced Zatanna and offered her enough power to rip a universe in half
Claimed to be more powerful than threats which could include the Upside-Down Man
Been the master of an entire planet of sorcerers, each of them equal to silver-age Doctor Fate
Doctor Fate: Trigon has tanked a blast from Doctor Fate, and even killed him in an alternate timeline. Trigon’s power was also directly compared to Lady Blaze by Raven, the same Blaze who battled fairly evenly with Kent Nelson’s Doctor Fate. Neron, who Raven scales to, also easily broke through the attacks of Hector Hall’s Doctor Fate, and Mordru has likewise overwhelmed him.
Miscellaneous
Through relativity, Jenni Ognats threatens to rip apart the universe
Shazam casts a spell which prevents the seven Magiclands from collapsing in on each other
Zatanna defends against Pralaya, the void which existed before God, consuming all of creation
Wonder Woman deflects the pieces of the Shattered God, which were coming from across the universe
Pre-Crisis Superman ‘bursts the bonds of infinity’ with his speed
Martian Manhunter reaches his mind out in nanoseconds, zeptoseconds, and planck times
After stealing large amounts of speed, Wally West achieves trans-time velocity
Weaknesses
Raven’s powers require focus to use, and while she’s draining the pain from someone, she’s unaware of her surroundings
Extremely intense emotions can knock Raven out cold. Exploiting her mental vulnerabilities is a notable weak-spot for her, and her constant mental struggles against Trigon have impeded her many times
In her physical body, she requires oxygen to breathe, and it’s suggested that her standard Soul-Self can’t survive the vacuum of space for too long
Her Soul-Self is, most of the time, controlled by Raven’s physical mind, and has in some cases rebelled against her
Raven’s stamina isn’t infinite, and abilities such as teleportation can especially leave her drained if used too much
Despite her Soul-Self’s resilience, complete destruction of her body and soul is something she’s never been shown to be able to come back from
Summary
Phoenix
Advantages:
Can match Raven in power and speed
The Phoenix’s fire is capable of harming intangible targets and souls, and thus could likely affect Raven’s Soul Self. The Soul Self has also shown to be vulnerable to Superboy’s tactile telekinesis, so Jean’s TK could likely affect it as well. It is possible that this would also apply to Jean’s other abilities.
Mental defenses are likely enough to withstand Raven’s empathic powers and mental manipulation
Energy absorption abilities could drain Raven’s magic and potentially weaken her Soul Self. Could also potentially reabsorb energy that Raven absorbs from her.
Regeneration is greater than Raven’s, and renders the majority of Raven’s physical attacks moot, since the Phoenix Force could build her a new body or transfer her consciousness elsewhere
Could likely escape to the White Hot Room in the event that she is pressured or BFR’d; the Phoenix has also shown to be capable of breaking free of dimensional BFR while Maya Lopez was the host
Time manipulation abilities as the White Phoenix have fewer drawbacks than Raven’s chronokinesis
Capable of countering Raven’s transmutation with her own, by transmuting her own body back to normal or manipulating her own atomic structure
Capable of resisting Raven’s possession
Heightened emotions as the Phoenix could cause Raven pain
Generally has less of an issue with stamina than Raven does
More skilled close-quarters fighter
Is a redhead
Disadvantages:
Considering Raven’s mental defenses, likely would not easily be able to affect her with telepathy
Can neither resist nor regenerate from soul manipulation or destruction
The majority of her physical attacks are rendered useless by the fact that Raven can survive as just a soul
Her ability to affect souls is much less advanced than Raven’s, and she has far fewer showings of doing so, on top of never having dealt with an opponent that requires soul destruction to defeat
Though she can likely damage Raven’s Soul Self with her fire and telekinesis, Raven’s ability to survive and regenerate from her soul being shattered suggests that simply damaging it is not enough to put her down.
Vulnerable to having her energy removed or absorbed, which is something that Raven is capable of doing; her own energy absorption, while useful, would not be as debilitating for Raven as Raven’s would be for her
Likely could not permanently shift the fight to the White Hot Room, due to the difficulty of doing so + the fact that Raven could just teleport out
Uses teleportation much less frequently than Raven, and as such has much less experience doing so in combat
Attempting to possess Raven would be ineffective at best, and at worst would potentially lead to the Phoenix becoming tethered to Raven
Historically has had difficulty affecting larger, darker, or more complicated minds, some of which Raven’s demonic physiology is analogous to, most notably Illyana
Marvel’s tendency to repeat the same plot beats over and over again
Raven
Advantages:
Can match Jean in power and speed
Mental defenses could likely repel Jean’s mind control, illusions, and memory manipulation
Soul destruction and manipulation is something that the Phoenix and Jean have little to no defense against, is far more advanced than the Phoenix’s own soul manipulation, and is beyond what the Phoenix has shown to quickly regenerate from
Ability to survive as a soul without her body nullifies the majority of Jean’s physical attacks, including her transmutation, matter manipulation, biological manipulation, and life draining. Ability to survive and regenerate damage to her soul also makes her difficult to put down, even in the event that the Phoenix damages it.
Ability to absorb energy with her Soul Self means that she could likely drain the Phoenix’s power, and her showings as the Unkindness + ability to BFR energy into her personal dimension prove that she could handle the Phoenix’s energy without being overtaxed. Could also potentially reabsorb any energy stolen from her, and would be less debilitated by energy absorption than Jean would be. Though it is a strong boon for both, energy absorption is more beneficial for Raven than for Jean.
Dimensional teleportation would prevent her from being trapped in the White Hot Room, in addition to the fact that transporting an opponent there is difficult for Jean to begin with
Capable of resisting the Phoenix’s possession, and potentially even tethering the Phoenix Force to herself if it attempts to possess her
Has more showings of stopping and manipulating time than Phoenix, and has done so in a fight; her ability to teleport to realms outside of time means that she could avoid being affected by White Phoenix’s alterations to the timeline
Superior utility and experience when it comes to teleportation
Ability to expel pain from her body counters Jean’s ability to induce artificial pain
Capable of resisting Phoenix’s power stealing
Demonic mind and energy could pose a danger to Jean’s telepathy, similar to Illyana
Is a goth girl
Disadvantages:
Has more prevalent stamina issues than Jean does
The Phoenix’s fire and telekinesis (and potentially other abilities as well) could likely affect her Soul Self, even in spite of its intangibility
Empathic powers, mind manipulation, and possession are likely to be largely ineffective against the Phoenix’s mental defenses
Physical attacks that do not target the mind or soul would be ineffective at overcoming the Phoenix’s regeneration
Would likely not be able to permanently BFR Phoenix into her Soul Self or elsewhere, due to the Phoenix’s ability to break out or escape to the White Hot Room
Transmutation probably could not permanently affect Jean, since the Phoenix could likely just transmute her body back to normal
Chronokinesis has more drawbacks than White Phoenix’s ability to alter the timeline
Commonly struggles to deal with intense emotions from her opponents, and can feel pain from them; notable against the Phoenix, which heightens the emotions of its host
Less skilled close-quarters fighter
DC’s tendency to repeat the same plot beats over and over again
Verdict
Stats
The most “fun” part of any VS debate, let’s start by going over the stats of both characters.
In her “base” state without the Phoenix, Jean is capable of taking the shockwave from Hulk’s thunderclap, as well as hits to the head from Cyclops’ Optic Blast when it is out of control. While Hulk was likely not going all out, even at his weakest the Savage Hulk should be stronger than Grey Hulk, who shattered an asteroid twice as large as Earth. This is consistent with Cyclops, whose Optic Blasts are stated to be able to split a small planet in half. Jean’s psionic abilities even in base are stated to make her the most powerful of the founding X-Men, above Cyclops, so this would scale to her power as well, making her roughly large planet level without unnecessary highballing.
As shown by Teen Jean, she can also absorb psionic energy from her surroundings to make herself stronger. This is somewhat circumstantial and depends on the strength of the person she’s fighting, but at max has been shown to make her powerful enough to harm Galactus.
Speed-wise, she should be easily superior to lesser X-Men like Beast, who can react in nanoseconds, and Wolverine, who can deflect Cyclops’ light-speed Optic Blasts. Jean herself has proven capable of reacting to Cyclops’ beams in order to steer their trajectory with psychic “bumpers”, so her reactions should be more than capable of reaching FTL speeds.
Of course, we aren’t here for base Jean, we’re here to talk about the Phoenix, who is undoubtedly one of the most powerful characters in all of Marvel. With the Phoenix Force, Jean can obliterate planets, solar systems, and galaxies. Her Phoenix avatar can grow large enough to expand across the universe, and even while inexperienced, the Phoenix could contain the power of the M’kraan Crystal, which in that particular storyline was depicted as a universe-ending threat.
Universe level power is just scratching the surface, however, as the Phoenix has also matched Galactus on multiple occasions, and the more powerful Dark Phoenix is said to exceed him outright. This is relevant because in his fight against the Other and the Scrier, Galactus nearly wiped out the entire Marvel multiverse, with the destruction even potentially reaching Oblivion. Oblivion himself believed that the scope of the battle would be capable of exceeding the destruction caused by the Chaos War, in which Amatsu-Mikaboshi (the Chaos King) wiped out 98.76% of the Marvel multiverse. Contextually speaking, this was likely referring to Marvel’s cosmology as a whole, since the Chaos King was hyped up as a threat comparable to Multi-Eternity.
So how big is Marvel’s cosmology really? How is it structured?
For starters, the main multiverse consists of an infinite number of universes, as well as an infinite number of timelines which branch off from every moment since the universe began. It has also been established that the Marvel multiverse includes an infinite number of higher-dimensional planes. This “omniverse” is contained within the Superflow, an informational space which demarcates each universe and connects all living things. Infinitely beyond the Superflow are realms such as Overspace and Oblivion, which are occupied by abstract beings such as the Living Tribunal, the In-Betweener, and… well, Oblivion. Infinitely beyond that, at the very edge of known existence is the Far Shore, beyond which is a white void known as the Mystery (also known as the Above Place and the White Hot Room).
Skyfather-tier characters whom the Phoenix compares to, such as Galactus and Scarlet Witch, are capable of threatening vast portions of this cosmology, if not all of it. Phoenix herself is capable of affecting the White Hot Room to an extent (though her control over it isn’t absolute), and is noted multiple times to be the fire that will one day consume all of “creation” in the distant future, at the end of all things. There are multiple terms that you could use to refer to such a thing – hyperversal, omniversal, outerversal, boundless. All are arbitrary and it doesn’t really matter what you want to call it; simply describing the extent of the cosmology will suffice for the purposes of this blog.
As an aside, though the White Phoenix of the Crown gets a lot of hype in VS circles, it is actually largely featless, beyond having a casual universal feat which is nothing new for the Phoenix. Based on how it works and its significance in Jean’s story, it is likely that it is more powerful than the Phoenix or Dark Phoenix at minimum, but it is impossible to determine by how much, or assign any sort of arbitrary value to it beyond what the Phoenix has already shown.
Speed-wise things are much simpler. The Phoenix has shown to be capable of waging battles across infinite distance and projecting the consciousness of others to infinity. She is mentally comparable to Charles Xavier, whose astral projection could move at speeds too fast to measure, and she scales to Odin, who was able to react to Mjolnir immediately after it crossed an immeasurable distance. As such, she is comfortably and consistently immeasurable in speed.
Moving on to Raven, it should come as no surprise that her most impressive and consistent scaling comes from her father, Trigon, whom she has defeated multiple times while at the peak of her power. Though she originally channeled Azar’s soul and the Spirits of Azarath to destroy Trigon, Raven has since shown to be capable of overcoming Azar and Phantasm (the aggregate of the Azarathian Spirits) herself, proving that she can match their level of power on her own. When used by Starfire, Raven’s pure soul alone was also able to defeat Trigon and destroy his soul/energy, which Azar and the Souls of Azarath were explicitly unable to do.
Moreover, Raven can draw upon the souls’ power anyway via the Rings of Azar, and has also defeated Trigon after absorbing the souls of her sisters. She has also withstood attacks from him on multiple occasions, and scales beyond her mother Arella, who has defended against his attacks and sealed him away. Raven has also easily overpowered other high-tier DC characters such as Neron, who scaling-wise is on a similar level to Trigon.
With all of that established, Trigon is powerful enough that he has been directly compared to the Spectre by the Monitor, has killed Doctor Fate (and potentially Nabu as well) in an alternate timeline, and is beyond his son Belial, who has empowered the likes of Merlin. Neron, who is weaker than Raven, has likewise shown to be capable of overpowering Doctor Fate and Jim Corrigan’s Spectre, as well as purportedly take hits from really high-tier DC characters such as Lucifer Morningstar. Belial also has showings that may indicate comparability to Lucifer, though it is frequently debated whether it was the same Lucifer or not.
These are all characters capable of threatening most if not all of DC’s cosmology. How impressive is that, you ask?
Well, just take a look at DC’s handy dandy multiverse map. At the center of it all is the Orrery of Worlds, which refers to DC’s main multiverse. This includes an infinite number of universes, as well as timelines, all of which is contained within the Bleed, an interdimensional space which also contains infinite higher-dimensional planes. Multiple degrees of transcendence beyond the Bleed are dimensions such as the Speed Force, as well as the Sphere of Gods, in which places like Apokolips, Heaven, Hell, etc. are located. Transcending all of that is the Source Wall at the very edge of existence, and transcending that is the Source, a white void that exists beyond everything that is known.
In terms of characters being able to threaten this cosmology, the Spectre was said to be capable of annihilating all of creation in a battle against the Phantom Stranger, and can freeze over all of Hell, which is cosmologically comparable to Heaven. Neron is capable of controlling all of Hell and dictating its rules. Merlin is capable of draining magic from high-tier magic users like Doctor Fate and Zatanna. Fate is capable of destroying the entire Sphere of Gods, albeit with help from other Lords of Order. Zatanna at her peak can defend against threats like Pralaya, who is capable of consuming the entirety of DC’s creation. All of these characters should also be comparable (if not superior) to the likes of Barry Allen and Wally West, who were capable of threatening the multiverse with their race against each other, and generating so much energy that they were mistaken for the Source by the Highfather.
These are the types of characters whom Trigon – and by extension Raven at her peak – compares to. If you take the comparisons between Belial/Neron and Lucifer Morningstar at face value, it is also worth mentioning that the Morningstar is capable of shaping all of creation with his divine will. Once again, the exact terminology doesn’t matter much for establishing Raven’s power, the important part is just the scale of the cosmology.
Speed-wise, Raven at her peak should be comparable to the likes of Doctor Fate, whose helmet was able to travel through meta-space at the immeasurable “velocity of god”. This is consistent with Pre-Crisis Superman’s speed exceeding infinity, and speedsters like Wally reaching immeasurable trans-time velocities, even while refusing to tap into the Speed Force (Trigon has proven fast enough to kill the Flash before).
Of note, Raven has fought and overpowered her dark self with her normal powers, and has matched her demonic self multiple times, so all of her scaling applies to her in a broad sense, and not solely to any specific form.
…So that was a lot. If you read all that and still can’t tell how they compare to each other, I don’t blame you. Let’s break it down a bit.
Jean in her base form doesn’t really stand a chance against Raven. Even scaling her more generously to the Hulk’s top strength, she would still fall short in terms of baseline power. Her psionic energy absorption was able to compensate for the strength gap between her and Galactus, but Galactus wasn’t attacking or even paying attention to her, which is what gave her the opportunity to absorb his energy in the first place. In a one-on-one fight where Raven is trying to kill her, base Jean wouldn’t get the opportunity to absorb any psionic energy before losing.
Moving on to what’s most important, let’s now talk about how Raven stacks up against the Phoenix. The answer is “quite well”.
Speed-wise, the two are both operating in a tier of power where any character worth their salt is immeasurably fast. As such, neither will be blitzing the other.
Strength-wise, though there’s certainly plenty of debate to be had and semantics to get into, broadly speaking, the extended cosmologies of Marvel and DC are largely similar in size and scope. Both have infinite universes, infinite timelines, infinite higher dimensions, and several realms of existence that infinitely transcend even that. It’s pretty easy to draw parallels between the two structure-wise as well, for instance:
The Superflow and the multiverse contained within = The Bleed and the Orrery of Worlds
Overspace, Oblivion, etc. = The Sphere of Gods and other realms beyond the Bleed
The Far Shore = The Source Wall
The Mystery = The Source
This is, of course, a significant generalization, but given that both series have a lot of give-and-take, different interpretations, and contradictory statements, a broad and roughly 1-to-1 comparison is probably the fairest way to approach things, especially for the purposes of a blog like this, where it would not be practical or feasible to go through literally everything for a couple of decades-spanning franchises that have each released hundreds of thousands of comics.
With all that established, similar to speed, neither Jean nor Raven are likely to be capable of overpowering the other. Going with the premise that the two cosmologies are equal, Jean’s ability to consume Marvel’s creation and match Galactus would be matched by Raven’s ability to overpower Trigon and Neron, who pose a similar threat to DC’s creation. Both characters are in a similar omniversal/outerversal/whateverversal weight class, and as such are essentially even in strength. As such, the fight will largely come down to other factors beyond stats.
Abilities
Right off the bat, their direct feats clearly show that the Phoenix likely has greater range and raw destructive power. The Phoenix’s avatar has grown across solar systems and destroyed stars, while Raven has never shown such destructive range. Comparing her to Trigon, who has destroyed planets and threatened to shift the universe, could help even things out, but even then, White Phoenix has altered reality and held a universe in her hands. That said, given both can take the fight to different dimensions, and both are likely roughly similar in pure power, that’s not the most significant advantage in the world. Raven’s ability to teleport across dimensions means she always has an option to avoid getting hit, and she frequently uses teleportation in combat already. On the topic of the Phoenix’s power, while its flames are incredibly hot, Raven’s Soul-Self is immune to Belial’s hellfire, and she’s willing to sheathe herself in its energy as protection. This hellfire was capable of harming even Superboy, with Kryptonians having withstood the heat of stars and above before, so Raven should be protected well enough from such effects.
The mention of teleportation raises the additional point that Raven has many more showings of teleportation than Jean, both locally and across dimensions, and uses it much more often for fighting purposes, such as teleporting away from attacks or removing others from the battlefield. Neither is likely to be able to use said dimensional travel abilities to simply banish the other though. Raven has banished the likes of Deathstroke to entirely different universes, but Maya as the Phoenix was capable of coming back from a similar dimensional removal by the Eternals, and returning back to her regular space-time. Even if this were to work, Jean could simply travel to the White Hot Room and place the fight back into her own terms. Likewise, while Jean could hypothetically take Raven to the White Hot Room, taking mortals to such a place is stated to be difficult even for the Phoenix, and it’s not something Jean has personally ever done. Raven herself has freely teleported between the actual Heaven, Hell, and the crossroads to the afterlife, which exist in the Sphere of the Gods, and so could suggest that even if she were taken to the White Hot Room, she could simply teleport out. The White Hot Room exists beyond the Far Shore, which could be cosmologically argued at a different level to the Sphere of the Gods, but the difficulty the Phoenix has in taking mortals there means this is unlikely to come up regardless, and isn’t a reliable win condition. Teleporting Raven across the universe would also be unlikely to help Jean much, as Raven has sensed planets dying from across the universe before, and can always teleport to somewhere like Azarath or the Nexus of All Dimensions to recover.
In terms of their time-manipulation abilities, both can stop time, but Raven has more showings of doing so, including using it in a combat scenario, and hers is suggested to last longer on top of that. At best for Jean, they cancel out, and at worst, Raven has an edge. On the other hand, White Phoenix’s timeline alterations are much more potent than Raven’s chronokinesis, with her having absorbed and altered entire futures, while Raven’s chronokinesis has had limited success and can kill her if she uses it too much. The fact that Raven can manipulate the timestream at all helps though, as it ensures she won’t be totally out-of-her-depth against what Jean can do. Raven has stabilized time vortexes which have threatened the multiverse, and has stretched her Soul-Self across millennia, allowing her to time travel to eras that distant. White Phoenix’s manipulation of reality does not occur instantly, and Raven’s ability to sense danger and detect portals through time should allow her to realize something is off. At that point, Raven could simply teleport to Azarath, Heaven, Hell, or Trigon’s Underrealms, all of which either operate on a different flow of time or exist outside of it entirely, and so would likely operate outside of the Phoenix’s range of abilities. While the Phoenix has absorbed futures into the White Hot Room, they’ve never done so to a location not linked to them in such a way, and the aforementioned realms in DC operate on entirely different rules. The Phoenix has also never done this for a combat scenario, so it’s unlikely to come up in the fight regardless.
Jean obviously has more potent and versatile applications of her telekinesis, capable of affecting massive meteors from a thousand kilometers away and channeling Black Bolt’s voice, while still being precise enough to remove nanites. She uses her telekinesis more frequently than Raven does, giving her an edge in that field. With regards to matter manipulation, both can affect objects on an atomic level, and can transmute objects entirely from one element to another. This would normally be an instant-win against most characters, but both Jean and Raven should be able to counter the other in this category. The Phoenix can resurrect its host from their body being completely destroyed, with Jean herself having stitched her body back together as just mental energy. As she has transmutation of her own and can alter matter on a molecular scale, she should be able to simply transmute herself back to normal were Raven to try such an attack. Raven, meanwhile, doesn’t need her body in the first place to keep fighting, and her Soul-Self has been completely unaffected by matter manipulation before, of course due to not having any physical atoms in the first place. Any damage done to Raven’s physical body ultimately wouldn’t matter too much in the long run.
Both have sensory abilities and advanced perception, though Raven uses hers much more frequently and as such has many more showings for specific scenarios which would be useful in a fight like this, such as being able to sense danger and sense build-ups of energy. The Phoenix’s cosmic awareness could possibly exceed this, though it’s somewhat vague, and Raven has shown more precision with regards to her extrasensory abilities. As Raven has sensed beings from across dimensions, and has sensed planets dying from interstellar distances, alongside the Phoenix’s naturally intensified emotions, she should have no issue keeping track of Jean.
Speaking of interstellar distance, Phoenix has the surprisingly simple edge of being able to naturally fly and breathe in space, while Raven in her physical body requires oxygen to breathe and has stated her Soul-Self cannot withstand the vacuum of space for too long. Jean can planet-bust, which would force Raven into space, and would seemingly give Jean an edge. However, Raven’s Legion Flight Ring should allow her physical body to keep going in such a scenario, as it allows her to fly and breathe in space freely. Raven’s physical body shouldn’t matter much to begin with, as said above, as at her peak she can fight and operate as just her purified golden Soul-Self. Her golden self has been shown to freely travel between the Earth and the moon with no ill-effects, and Dark Raven was capable of casting out her Soul-Self across solar systems to Tamaran, indicating that at her peak, Raven’s soul can sustain itself just fine in space. And worst comes to worst, Raven can always vanish into her own pocket dimension, or teleport to Azarath or the Nexus for safety.
Another shared ability between the two is the power to drain the energies of others. Teen Jean has drained the telepathic energies of Galactus and the Phoenix Force itself, while Raven has sapped the strength of Trigon and drained Supergirl’s energy. This at first may seem like it cancels out yet again, but it’s worth looking at the finer details. The Phoenix is reliant on a constant supply of energy to fuel itself, and has been consistently affected by energy draining in the past. While Rachel’s Phoenix was capable of countering Necrom’s attempts to drain it, this was only because Necrom was draining so much energy he overloaded and exploded. Necrom was still capable of siphoning such energy in the first place, and characters like Galactus have nearly killed the Phoenix by draining her power. In comparison, while Raven has had her energy drained multiple times, in all cases she’s still been able to operate with lowered stamina and magic, and has shown to still be capable of using her Soul-Self in such a state, always managing to recover and return to normal. Jean can do the same to an extent, but the Phoenix would be much more notably debilitated by an attempt to absorb its energy compared to Raven, as it’s more reliant on constantly gaining energy and has been almost killed by such actions in the past.
It’s highly unlikely that what happened to Necrom would happen to Raven if she were to attempt energy absorption as a tactic, as Raven managed to absorb and contain the energies of the Unkindness, a being which went on to destroy all of DC’s creation, and has withstood attacks which disrupted the ‘omniverse’, a level which should be plenty comparable to where the Phoenix operates. Binary was able to absorb the Phoenix’s energy by discharging the excess energy through a portal to another universe, which could be compared to Raven’s ability to contain energy such as that of Sparta’s in her Soul-Self’s personal dimension, and would further suggest Raven could successfully contain the Phoenix’s power. It’s also possible both could draw any absorbed energies back into themselves, as Jean has drained the Phoenix Force and Raven has drained Trigon, both of whom serve as the source of their respective powers, though this is largely hypothetical. Additionally, Raven has a feat of blocking having her power absorbed even while unconscious, which could be interpreted as a general resistance to energy draining. Were one to go this route, Raven’s advantage in this field would be furthered, as Jean’s energy absorption could be entirely ineffective on Raven and not vice-versa. In any case, while it’s a notable ability for both bird ladies, energy absorption ultimately benefits Raven more on all sides.
In terms of absorption, the Phoenix’s life-absorption is also likely to be ineffective. Raven has no clear feats of resisting such an ability, but as we keep coming back to, Raven doesn’t need her physical body to fight in the first place, and on Jean’s end, such life-force draining has never been shown to be capable of affecting souls. It would only impede Raven for so long.
Both Raven and Jean share the core ability of being able to mentally affect others, with many showings and uses of it on both sides. In this regard, they match each other’s versatility fairly well. Applications such as illusions, mind control, city-wide memory altering, the ability to separate spirits from their host, and inducing sleep all have instances of being shown for both characters. Raven has more showings of precisely controlling specific emotions, but this is a fairly minor point, and similarly, both can counter the other reading their mind. Jean has more explicit showings of doing so, but Raven’s psionic shields can block others from sensing her, and she’s been mentioned to have resisted mental probing before.
They match each other fairly well in terms of raw utility, but how about power? Well, comparing something as esoteric as mental-manipulation in terms of potency is always a little subjective, but they should be fairly well matched in this category too. Both scale to some of the strongest psionic characters in their universes, Jean having matched omega-level telepath Professor X, and Raven having held out against the HIVE Queen, a being engineered by Brainiac to be the strongest psionic on Earth who has brainwashed Superman himself before. You might point to Raven ultimately succumbing to the HIVE Queen’s control and it rapidly draining her stamina, but keep in mind, Raven was protecting not only herself, but five other people as well, alongside her naturally having to constantly struggle against Trigon. Raven directly compared the HIVE Queen’s psionic power to Trigon, and on her own, Raven has resisted Trigon and her demonic-self plenty of times. When purified, she’s free from his influence entirely. And even then, Raven was capable of holding out against the HIVE Queen and protecting other people for the entire issue, with her chaos energies helping to break the HIVE Queen’s control even after she finally succumbed. All that should be more than enough to suggest Raven can compare to some of the strongest psychics in her world.
In terms of range, Jean can compare to Umar, who’s controlled people from across countless dimensions, and she’s personally battled Xavier across infinite planes of existence. Impressive, no doubt, but Trigon’s powers have tried to influence Raven from his home universe and Azarath, which exists “many dimensions” away from Earth, with Azarath being stated to exist between all dimensions and outside of time. In the New 52, Trigon’s realm is suggested to be tied to Neron’s Hell itself, which exists in the Sphere of the Gods. Either way you look at it, such range isn’t outside of Raven’s ballpark.
So what about sheer numbers? Professor X and other high-tier telepaths in Marvel like Emma Frost have been shown many times to be capable of scanning and affecting every mind on Earth at the same time. The HIVE Queen, meanwhile, as a being designed to be the strongest psionic on Earth, should be at least comparable to Martian Manhunter, who has scanned the planet multiple times, and at one point even sensed all life across the entire galaxy. Additional support for this would be the Wyld, who was capable of overcoming Miss Martian in a mental battle at only three-quarters of his full power, despite needing to be at maximum strength to take Raven’s Soul-Self. While Miss Martian isn’t quite as strong as her uncle, it does further suggest the strength of Raven’s telepathy. And hell, Raven has scanned minds across the planet just on her own. Even going a step further in terms of just the characters they’ve affected, Martian Manhunter has affected the Spectre with his powers, a being who can resist the Anti-Life Equation, which is sometimes suggested to be an aspect of the Source itself. Your mileage may vary on that last part, but all that should prove Raven can at the very least hold up against what Jean can dish out.
With all that established, it’s reasonable to say neither is going to be able to significantly affect each other with their mental abilities. An interesting point is how both are similar to beings which the other have struggled to affect with their powers in-story. Raven’s demonic physiology and link to Trigon is notably comparable to Illyana’s dimension of semi-demonic energy, which Emma Frost said would be difficult for Jean to access. Something similar has happened on Raven’s end, when Doctor Psycho tried to access her mind, only to be knocked unconscious by her demonic-link. Likewise, the Phoenix is stated to inflame and intensify the emotions of its host, with intense emotions being a common weakness of Raven’s which can leave her knocked out cold at worst. That said, while a noteworthy comparison, neither of these weaknesses are likely to have a major effect. Illyana’s demonic energy is vague and ill-clarified, with Emma making the statement in reference to Marvel Girl and not the Phoenix, which is itself a complex mind. The Phoenix has imprinted on Illyana like all its hosts, so this reasonably wouldn’t apply at that stage. Raven, meanwhile, has overcome her weakness to intense emotions over her history, having successfully handled the pain of hundreds of people at the same time and being capable of sensing people across the planet having their emotions intensified “a thousand-fold”.
Speaking of pain, Jean’s ability to induce artificial pain probably won’t be too helpful either. While Raven has been affected by artificial pain before, this was very early on into her history, before she had control of her own emotions, and her healing works on the basis of taking pain into her body and expelling it out of herself. Healing is one of Raven’s most commonly used abilities, and, as said above, Raven has expelled the combined pain of hundreds of people out of her body before. This is somewhat similar to how she overcame Phobia’s induced fear, controlling her own emotions with her powers to make herself feel calm even as her pain was intensified. Raven should simply be able to expel any artificial pain out of her body.
As a more minor point, the Phoenix’s power-stealing is also unlikely to be effective. Not only was this only done by an alternate timeline version of Jean, whose powers are stronger than her main self, but Raven has resisted having her powers stolen or messed with before, even while unconscious. Her Soul-Self was also immune to the Disruptor’s powers, which are designed to disable the abilities of a hero, so should Raven’s physical body be destroyed, her Soul-Self should be unaffected by it regardless.
And really, that’s the crux of this battle: their souls. Both have very powerful regenerative abilities that make attacks to their physical body ultimately irrelevant in the long-run. Jean has stitched her body back together from just mental energy, and the Phoenix Force itself is capable of sustaining its host against any form of physical damage with ease. Especially considering that the Phoenix’s telekinesis works on an atomic level, simply destroying Jean’s body isn’t going to do much. While Raven can’t simply create a new body in the same way, she doesn’t need to. At her peak, Raven’s purified, good Soul-Self is capable of acting on its own and utilizing all of Raven’s powers without a body. It’s in this state she defeated and destroyed Trigon’s soul, proving she’s not any weaker either. Raven primarily needs her physical brain in order to control the demonic part of her Soul-Self, which can rebel against her if she loses control, but the good part of Raven’s soul has been shown to be able to defeat her demonic half multiple times and plot against her, and golden Raven is entirely free of such corruption. This wouldn’t help Jean either way, as Dark Raven is just as capable a fighter as her pure-self.
Both of their abilities to fight after their body has been destroyed renders a notable portion of their offensive options ultimately useless. Raven’s transmutation and standard energy projection could simply be undone by Jean’s telekinesis, and Jean’s own matter and biological manipulation will have no effect on a soul which doesn’t have a physical body in the first place. It comes down to who has the better options for destroying the other on not just a physical level, but a spiritual one, and it’s here Raven has the clearest edge. Raven’s soul manipulation and spiritual resilience is overall far more advanced than Jean’s and the Phoenix’s. The Phoenix’s fire has affected otherwise intangible souls before, and Raven’s Soul-Self has been affected by Superboy’s telekinesis, giving Jean two primary options for dealing with Raven’s soul with her flames and telekinesis, which would also prevent Raven from simply phasing through everything Jean uses. However, Raven as her Soul-Self has proven time and time again that simply attacking it isn’t enough to take it down. Her Soul-Self has many feats of being cut in half, split into its component parts, or just completely exploded into pieces, only for Raven to piece it back together good as new in short time. Jean, meanwhile, has never truly had to deal with an attack on her soul, and has never shown the ability to repair it from such extensive damage.
That alone is a significant disadvantage in a battle where damage to the soul is the primary way for either to win, but Raven’s offensive options as her soul are also far more extensive than Jean’s. Jean can sustain herself as just a soul, but she seems to lose most of her offensive abilities, and rarely has had to fight in such a state. On Raven’s end though, fighting as her soul is her primary powerset. Her Soul-Self has access to all of her regular abilities and more, including energy projection which can harm intangible beings, and she has far more experience with fights that involve spiritual combat, having fought for three days straight in a battle on the astral plane and dealt with numerous ghosts or spiritual entities, including ones as powerful as Trigon himself. Raven’s Soul-Self has stabbed and affected the souls of others even while those souls are still inside someone’s body, proving Jean’s body doesn’t need to be totally destroyed for Raven to attack her soul, and Raven has manipulated and shaped numerous souls at once, possibly even an entire universe of them at her highest. Even Raven’s standard empathic abilities have been described as her soul entering the soul of the person she's affecting. The Phoenix has no way to really recover from an attack on its soul in a battle like this, which constitutes the primary way Raven fights, while Raven’s soul can recover quickly from any damage the Phoenix’s flames or telekinesis inflict.
Raven’s soul manipulation and resistance is much more extensive than the Phoenix’s, having numerous feats of resisting having her soul manipulated even while unconscious, and having dealt with Trigon trying to manipulate her soul, the same Trigon who’s siphoned his entire universe of souls before while not even at his peak. Similarly, Raven’s purified self could destroy Trigon’s soul when not even the combined spirits of Azarath, constituting the entire combined knowledge of a society dedicated to spiritual prowess, could do so. Those same spirits were strong enough to completely obliterate Trigon’s body in the first place, but were unable to do the same to his soul, proving Raven can handle and has experience against even extremely powerful and resilient souls. Jean being able to sustain herself as psychic energy is useful, but Raven’s defeat of Trigon counters that too, as he’s been described as pure energy at that point as well, which the souls of Azarath claimed could not be destroyed at all.
Jean has much less experience astrally projecting than Raven, and the damage she sustains reflects on her body. The Phoenix Force itself has claimed that the human soul is beyond its understanding, and implies it cannot simply repair it in the same way as a physical body. The Phoenix has eventually managed to resurrect from being erased from existence, but this can take years, and wouldn’t be combat applicable. Raven’s pure and golden Soul-Self, meanwhile, has lasted for years in real life and participated in numerous battles and stories, even ascending to a higher plane of existence. Her Soul-Self has lasted for weeks even while stuck on its own in an entirely separate plane of reality as both its good and dark halves, proving her soul can sustain itself without a body with no issue. An extensive attack on the Phoenix’s soul should put them down and win the fight, and Raven has everything she needs to do just that.
On the note of souls, while both have feats of resisting/blocking possession, the Phoenix’s fire blocking Jean’s spirit and Raven having blocked Jericho and and overcome Trigon, Jean is still at a disadvantage in this area. Were the Phoenix to try separating from Jean and possessing Raven as an offensive option, it would risk Raven simply forcibly tethering the Phoenix to herself. Raven has done this to beings as strong as the Riders of the Apocalypse/the Unkindness, which, as stated above, are on the level of DC’s entire omniverse. That proves Raven’s tethering is more than potent enough to affect the Phoenix Force, and it’s a tactic she’s gone for in-character. The Phoenix Force has been affected by similar abilities in-story, such as Necrom sealing it inside a corpse, with no proven feats of resistance. As Raven can resist Trigon’s corruption, which is comparable to the Phoenix’s, she would have no issue forcing the Phoenix Force into herself and gaining all its power with few of the drawbacks. This would leave Jean almost entirely depowered and reverted back to essentially her standard abilities, against a Raven who still has her full power alongside the power of the Phoenix Force. Needless to say, that’s not a position she wants to be in, and Raven’s possession in comparison doesn’t carry nearly as high a risk. The Phoenix Force has on multiple occasions been separated from the body of its host after the host is defeated, or even after simply taking a strong enough hit, which could possibly allow Raven to tether the Phoenix without Jean going for such a tactic.
The clearest way to think of this is that this is a battle which requires the winner to destroy the other’s soul to win completely, and as both have options for fighting beyond their bodies being destroyed, it forces both combatants into a scenario revolving around a spiritual combat. All their other potential wincons, such as energy absorption or time manipulation, either cancel out, can be completely countered, or favor Raven. This is a scenario Jean and the Phoenix have simply never had to deal with and have no experience against, with their showings against souls being far more limited and less potent, and Jean’s own soul having no showings to suggest it could hold up against an attack on the soul. Meanwhile, spiritual combat is Raven’s bread-and-butter. It’s something she does in almost every single battle she’s in, she has far more showings of affecting powerful and resilient souls, her soul is more versatile and has access to a much wider range of abilities than Jean’s, and her soul has quickly repaired itself from damage as extensive being completely shattered without much issue. Jean needs to completely destroy Raven’s soul in a scenario she has basically no experience with, while Raven needs to deal much less damage to Jean’s soul in order to win, in a form of combat she deals with in almost every single fight that she has a wider range of options to complete with. When put that way, it becomes clear Raven has the better options to put Jean down and win.
Tertiary Factors
In comparison to the last two sections, there’s a lot less to go over here. One pretty clear edge the Phoenix has is Jean’s ability to download skills and knowledge into herself. Jean has used this to download the martial arts skills of Misty Knight and Colleen Wing, two extremely knowledgeable and expert fighters. Raven, in comparison, has no explicit formal martial arts training, and generally engages in physical confrontations less than Jean, so Jean should take a clean advantage in skill. That said, it’s not like Raven is totally out-of-her-depth in that field. Raven’s defeated her demon brother Envy in a purely physical confrontation, and while serving under Trigon in the New 52, she conquered entire worlds and went through many physical battles with her Ebon-Sword. Raven’s physicality has been compared to Donna Troy before, who should be much stronger than the Thing, one of the more powerful characters Jean has defeated in hand-to-hand, so Raven should be more than capable of holding her own in a battle of fists. Of course, a fight like this wouldn’t come down to physicality regardless, so this is all ultimately a minor point.
In terms of experience, Raven’s aforementioned servitude under Trigon should outdo Jean in terms of sheer length. Trigon’s realm exists outside of the normal flow of time, and Raven has described it as having spent “an eternity” there, the entire time engaging in battle and planning conquests. Jean has the experience of both her adult and time-displaced selves, but it’s unlikely it could compare to Raven’s time as a warlord, and both have experience teaching others or serving as leaders of their respective teams. Raven can also possibly call upon Azar for guidance with her rings, granting her additional knowledge. With all that in mind, the Phoenix Force itself obviously outdoes both, having existed and operated since the beginning of time, constituting billions of years of experience. That’s older than Azar and even Trigon, so should the Phoenix Force be the dominant personality of Jean’s body, she would greatly exceed Raven in terms of general experience. Once more though, this is unlikely to matter, as the Phoenix still hasn’t displayed any experience against Raven’s soul-manipulating powerset, which is what’s most important for this battle.
Beyond that, there’s little else to cover in this category. Both have some solid displays of intellect and planning, alongside formal training of their powers, Raven having spent her life training her empathic abilities under Azar and Jean having been trained as an X-Man by Professor X, alongside her time-displaced self having some tutelage under Emma Frost and Psylocke. Both the X-Men and Titans have been active for years and undergo regular training sessions. Raven does tend to struggle more with stamina, but she’s also fought for three days straight without issue, as has Jean, so neither is going to be able to simply outlast the other at their respective peaks. One could debate specific aspects, such as Jean potentially being more skilled through comparison to Professor X, but with mental abilities like this, it’s difficult to make an exact judgment, and the fact that both have formal training and are generally pretty smart means neither is reasonably going to have a noteworthy edge over the other. Especially in comparison to the clash of their abilities, this won’t be a major factor regardless.
Conclusion
This blog is looooooooong so I don’t want to keep you too much longer (*proceeds to write a 600-word conclusion anyway*), but in summary, Phoenix and Raven are both powerful enough to contend with characters that can destroy all of creation, which in the case of Marvel and DC probably makes them roughly equivalent with similar leeway. Speed also equals out, with both scaling to characters with immeasurable feats. As such, the fight primarily comes down to abilities, in which things are very blow-for-blow, but Raven ultimately edges out.
Neither are going to be affecting each other with their mental attacks, at least not easily enough that it would be a win condition in most circumstances. Most of their attempts to harm each other physically will amount to nothing, given Jean’s regeneration and Raven’s ability to survive without her physical body. Both of them have a wide variety of counters to the other’s kit, to the point where they largely cancel out in most regards – both can counter transmutation, both have ways of escaping the other’s BFR, Raven can resist Jean’s power stealing and negate her pain manipulation, Jean as the Phoenix can handle Raven’s mind, and Raven can likewise handle Jean’s heightened emotions. Jean has superior hand-to-hand skill, but Raven isn’t out of her depth, and the fight wouldn’t come down to fisticuffs anyway.
Once we start getting a bit more into the nitty gritty of everything, things start to tilt a little bit toward Raven. Both can repel possession, but only Raven can take advantage of this in a way that could end the fight, by tethering the Phoenix Force to herself. Both have similar time manipulation abilities with their own benefits and drawbacks, but although Raven’s chronokinesis is less powerful and has more drawbacks than White Phoenix’s control over the timeline, she also has ways to escape Phoenix’s time shenanigans entirely, such as teleporting to realms outside of time. She also has a longer time stop that she has actually used in combat, and just more frequently in general. Energy absorption also leans toward Raven, since she can still function with her power drained, could arguably resist it outright, and it would be more debilitating for the Phoenix – potentially fatal – in any case.
And then there’s the big one: the fact that Raven has an overwhelming advantage in terms of soul manipulation and astral combat, which is the most surefire way that either of them have for ending the fight. Her soul manipulation is much more varied and powerful than what the Phoenix has shown to be capable of, and she has shown to be able to resist damage to her soul, as well as regenerate in the event that her soul is harmed.
Jean has never had to deal with a situation where she needs to destroy her opponent’s soul in order to win, and as such would be out of her depth against Raven, who has attacked or destroyed souls on plenty of occasions, and whose power set centers almost entirely around soul manipulation. The Phoenix Force can keep Jean alive through nearly any level of physical damage, but the human soul is beyond its capacity to heal. Its own ability to be reborn via the White Hot Room would not include Jean, and takes too long to affect the fight.
In short, the match comes down to “who can most quickly and easily take the other down beyond their ability to keep fighting?”, and considering the similar stats, counters on both sides, and their respective abilities in soul-based combat, that’s almost certainly Raven. To quoth the raven, by the end of this fight, the Phoenix will be nevermore.
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